Stuart Little by EB White
published 1945
[I’m
planning to look at some other compass-points-in-books in a future post, so please let
me know if you have any favourites, for any of the directions – see the end of
the post]
When my
daughter was first reading books for herself (and if you are truly interested
you can read more about what led up to that, here) we were living in the USA, and she
read EB White’s Stuart Little, which I think it is fair to describe as
an American classic, but not at that time well-known in the UK, ie I had never
read it. (I think the subsequent films brought a wider audience).
She came to
me, very put out, and said ‘I don’t understand the end of this book, are there
some pages missing, it doesn’t seem right.’
Oh well, I
said tolerantly, ‘I will read it and explain’ – assuming whatever was troubling
her would be obvious to me. That showed me what having children is like (as if
I didn’t already know) because I was as surprised as she was. The book is a
strange tale of a very small creature, some kind of human/mouse hybrid, living
with a family and having adventures. Stuart Little loses his friend, Margalo, a
canary who flies away. So Stuart sets off in his small car to find him. So you
know what will happen right? Only you don’t because
SPOILER
Stuart
Little doesn’t find Margalo. We leave him in a most uncertain state, still
looking, still determined to find Margalo, but with no guarantees. It is as
abrupt, unexpected and disconcerting an ending as anyone could find in any book
anywhere, and I could NOT explain it to my daughter. I am still mystified by
it.
I think perhaps not reading EB White as a child means I don’t fully appreciate him – I was ‘not bothered’ about any of the books, although the first line of Charlotte’s Web is one of my favourites of all time - a discussion for another day, we must make a list – “Where’s Papa going with that ax?" In my blogpost I said 'We have to bow to popular opinion – everyone else loves it.'
But
strangely the final couple of pages of Stuart Little were confounding, and made
no sense for children, but they were beautiful, I love them. The annoying and
badly-behaved, sorry, charming, lovable, Stuart meets a telephone repairman
who is climbing poles, and they have a chat.
The
repairman says:
“There’s something about north, something
that sets it apart from all other directions. A person who is
heading north is not making any mistake, in my opinion…’
‘Following a
broken telephone line north, I have come upon some wonderful places,”
continued the repairman. “Swamps where cedars grow and turtles wait on logs but
not for anything in particular; fields bordered by crooked fences broken by
years of standing still; orchards so old they have forgotten where the
farmhouse is. In the north I have eaten my lunch in pastures rank
with ferns and junipers, all under fair skies with a wind blowing. My business
has taken me into spruce woods on winter nights where the snow lay deep and
soft, a perfect place for a carnival of rabbits. I have sat at peace on the
freight platforms of railroad junctions in the north, in the warm hours
and with the warm smells. I know fresh lakes in the north, undisturbed
except by fish and hawk and, of course, by the Telephone Company, which has to
follow its nose. I know all these places well. They are a long way from
here—don’t forget that. And a person who is looking for something doesn’t
travel very fast.”
And then,
Stuart rose from the ditch, climbed into his car, and started up the road that led toward the north. The sun was just coming up over the hills on his right. As he peered ahead into the great land that stretched before him, the way seemed long. But the sky was bright, and he somehow felt he was headed in the right direction.
And that’s
the end of the book. IKR? Impossible, but also the paragraph from the repairman
lives in my mind. What a picture of the places he worked…
[This would also remind you of Wichita Lineman, generally agreed to be one of the
best and most haunting songs ever written.]
And this got
me thinking about directions, compass points, and what writers make of them.
In Dorothy L Sayers’ Gaudy Night, Harriet Vane encounters a young
undergraduate who says this to her:
"Seeing
you cross the quad in this direction, I turned in that direction like the
needle to the North. Dark," said Mr. Pomfret, with animation,
"and true and tender is the North. That's a quotation. It's very
nearly the only one I know, so it's a good thing it fits."
When I first
read this book as an impressionable teenager I thought this was exquisitely
funny, and a very good thing for him to say, and I must admit that I copied it
myself in conversation (even though I knew a lot of quotations). I had, of
course, no idea where it came from. Much more easily solved these days: it is
from Tennyson’s The Princess:
O tell her, Swallow, thou that knowest each,
That bright and fierce and fickle is the South,
And dark and true and tender is the North.
The
sentiment is repeated several times, so we’ll take it that Tennyson liked the
North, and perhaps DLS did too. (Leeway for authorial invention with both)
SO – we need
more authors, and more comments on compass points. Ode to the West Wind? East is East and West is
West? Please make suggestions (including North).
I have some
in mind already, and will round up everyone’s – I know many of you will enjoy
the challenge.
ADDED LATER: since writing the post I came across this in a biography of Anthony Trollope - his wife Rose getting cross with her resident niece.
The niece, Beatrice, writes to a friend: 'I have been interrupted in my letter by a long sermon from my Aunt Rose...Why that absurd tirade I can't tell! Probably the East Wind has got into her brain.'
I had to
STOP finding lovely pics to decorate this post, I was getting carried away and
saving too many. I was not looking to show the infuriating endearing
rodent, so found these atmospheric pictures of the countryside and the
telephone poles.



I've never read this book, but the message could be that a quest is not automatically crowned with success. Rather a bleak life lesson, but true. And then there is the importance of perseverance, of course.
ReplyDeleteClare
Perhaps like Hollywood film-makers, the author was already planning a sequel?!
DeleteOops, I was thinking of the films!
DeleteI read up about the writing of the book, and I don't think it was as intentional as that. There is a hilarious bit where a children's librarian encouraged him to put his stories into a book, but when she saw it didnt like it at all!
DeleteIt actually all smacks, surprisingly, of the current wave of people famous in other areas, who make up some nice stories for their own chlidren (in this case nephews and nieces) and then get them published.
Before I reached it in your post, the line 'Dark and true and tender is the North' had popped into my head. I am from the north of England and I always like to see a road sign that says 'To the North.' People are different up here, I think. As for Stuart Little, how extraordinary that is for a children's book. That is a wonderful passage of writing and I suppose the message is that the journey and the quest are more important than the destination. But not really a message for a child? Chrissie
ReplyDeleteOh how nice that we had the same thought! Was yours from the original Tennyson rather than DLS?
DeleteYou will see below some Americans commenting on those To the North signs!
Yes there is a place for that message, but - I think we are agreeing - this wasn't the right moment and it isn't doing it well...
Maybe White just got tired of the story and thought "What the heck, I'm ending it here"....
DeleteI think maybe he wasn't quite sure what he wanted to happen next.
DeleteI'd forgotten what an abrupt ending Stuart Little has, Moira. It is disconcerting in that way, isn't it? And what an interesting discussion on direction. Hmmm.. I thought of Elizabeth Howard's North Winds Blow Free, which I read when I was young. It's a US Civil War-set novel about a sixteen-year-old girl who travels from her Midwest USA farm to Ontario, where her family's helping to build a settlement for escaped slaves. I haven't thought of that one in years...
ReplyDeleteTo some degree it depends on where, and who, you are, but I would say that in much of the US there's a general sense that North means Canada and freedom, or at least the big northern industrial cities and decent jobs rather than sharecropping. The South here does not connote gentle Mediterranean climes, either, but either swamp or desert (depending on which side of the country you're on), and Jim Crow laws.
DeleteMargot: when I looked again at the book, I thought 'it can't be as abrupt as I remembered' but it was!
DeleteThanks for the mention of that book, I didn't know it but will look it up. Exactly what I was looking for! And I bet you could do a post on directions in murder stories...
Dame Eleanor: very interesting point about what people hear when they hear 'North' or 'South'. And yes, different things in different places.
I suppose in the days of the Vietnamese draft going to Canada meant escape...
"The journey, not the arrival, matters."
ReplyDeleteIt's become more common to move the positions of maps - north is no longer the top of the page (when and where did it become so?). One of the first books I came across with this technique was Norman Davies's The Isles, which depicts the Isles with west(?) at the top.
Don't C.S. Lewis's Narnia books have a directional mythology, with "the east" as decadent and luxurious - the source of olove oil and Turkish Delight?
-Roger
I hope that business of re-orienting maps doesn't become TOO common! I'm much too used to north being on top. I had to google your question about north-up on maps, and apparently that convention isn't all that old in the history of map-making. The earliest maps had different orientations, east being a favorite because of the sunrise. Mapmakers also oriented maps around their own societies. Apparently the invention of the compass with its use of the magnetic poles brought about the placing of north at the top of maps. I suppose south could just as easily have
Delete...been on top. Surely Aussies and Kiwis don't really think of themselves as "the bottom"! he BBC had this explanation: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20160614-maps-have-north-at-the-top-but-it-couldve-been-different
DeleteEven the wordt 'orient' denotes the east. It comes from the Latin verb 'oriri', which means 'to rise, to come up'.
DeleteEarly Christian maps, like the Mappa Mandi, put Jerusalem in the centre, as the focal point. The Mappa Mandi, which is about 700 years old: can be seen in Hereford Cathedral, and places the east at the top, because they believed that is where the Garden of Eden was. It even features a little picture of the Garden, along with all the real places in the world. The unusual orientation of the map is most disconcerting - it always makes me feel giddy trying to work out what is where!
DeleteI read a film review (can’t recall what film - “Merry Christmas Mr Lawrence” maybe?) many years ago which commented on the incongruity of Australians referring to China, Japan, Vietnam and that whole area as ‘The Far East’ when geographically it’s the Near West for them. Whether they still do so, I’ve no idea - this was back in the 1980s, when Empire modes of thought must have been still clinging on.
DeleteSovay
thanks all for this fascinating input. the article you link to, Marty, is particularly helpful and informative. Apart from anything else, my jaw dropped open at the news that the famous NASA photo of earth from space has been flipped!
DeleteI've seen that kind of reference to "the East" as being decadent and corrupt. Eastern and Western are so often used as blanket terms for differences between Asian and European cultures--especially religions, which seems a little odd given that the origin of the major "Western" religion. was in the Middle East.
DeleteWhatever geographical divisions there are, people will use them as a weapon to put down others.
DeleteKipling is often criticized for that, although close reading absolves him from most of it...
I know Mrs Gaskell wrote North and South about England, but the title might just as well apply to the US and our Civil War. As a Yankee, I of course think North is best, and really the North had the better moral stance even though abolition wasn't the only cause.
ReplyDeleteThere is a US saga book called North and South, Civil-War-related, which was made into a TV series, which was popular in the UK too I think - quite confusing, if you see a reference to it you have to check!
DeleteEB White had a home in Maine, about as far north as you can get in the Eastern states. The word-picture in the quote sounds a lot like New England, and of course New Englanders think North is best!
ReplyDeleteThat all makes good sense
DeleteWhen I was young I memorized Kipling's narrative poem The Ballad of East and West which contains the famous lines "O East is East and West is West, and never the twain shall meet"--a long poem, and I remember very little more of it now!
ReplyDeleteDo you think if you started saying it it might come back? I am astonished that old poems - ones I haven't thought of in years - will surprisingly pop back into my head. Even though I can't remember what I need to buy in the shop!
DeleteNo hope of that! I remember the beginning and ending lines, and that's it!
Deletemake up your own filler!
DeleteThe Steinbeck novel East of Eden. The Northwest Passage, elusive goal of many explorers. Phrase "Go West, young man!" which promoted westward expansion in the US. Fairy tale East of the Sun and West of the Moon. Proverb "East, West, home's best"--maybe a quote, but attribution is varied. Charles Kingsley novel Westward Ho!--(which turned up in another CiB post on punctuation).
ReplyDeleteGreat! All going on the list...
DeleteWest with the Night, a memoir by flying pioneer Beryl Markham, the first woman to fly non- stop across the Atlantic from East to West. South Riding, by Winifred Holtby.
ReplyDeleteSorry.
DeleteOh two great additions. I love both those books
DeleteHere's a question not really about literature, but about words and context: as an American, I am always a little surprised/amused by the big motorway signs in the UK that say just "The South" or "The North"--in the US, directions are more specific in that a city is added: "South--Memphis" or "North--Chicago," along with the number of the road. (And it can be very disconcerting to be so far in the other direction that the signs say "North--Memphis" or "South--Chicago" if you are used to living in the middle.) Do you think that the signs, either type, capture something about, I don't know exactly, national character or expectations or ideas about place? Do UK residents feel that there is a "North" in which Durham and Cheshire can be lumped together? Do US residents feel that "North--Chicago" is a different direction from "North--Seattle", or is North North regardless of what city you're headed toward?
ReplyDeleteAs a child I would not have noticed that Stuart Little's north was not my north; as an adult, I have a sense (vague, to be sure, but noticeable) that north in Maine is not the same idea as north in Illinois, or north in California. I don't mean literally, obviously the compass points the same way, but in connotations and expectations of what you'd see, where you'd shop, accents, that sort of thing.
To me a sign saying "The North" or "The South" has a sense of mystery, as if you're heading into unplotted territory. Which of course you wouldn't be.
DeleteI wonder if simple size would explain the difference in UK and US signage? I've read mentions of "the north of England" but I don't recall similar references to the northern parts of the US , which are more expansive and varied. (Except during the Civil War, of course, when "the North" referred to a specific group of States.)
DeleteThe UK is also a lot narrower than the US, and the north of England is narrower than the south.
DeleteClare
Dame Eleanor: fascinting question. I think Clare is right, the relative size and shape of the UK is relevant. But I think we Brits like those slightly-mysterious To the North signs. (see Chrissie's comment above). there is always endless discussion on where the North starts in the UK - the letters section of the guardian newspaper had an argument in the last week or so!
DeleteThere was a rockband in the 1970s called 'Hatfield and the North', named after an iconic road sign...
I lived for several years in Norwich, which to a Yorkshirewoman is unquestionably Down South. But one of my work colleagues was from St Albans, just outside London, and to her Norwich was unquestionably , and rather scarily, Up North.
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I may be misremembering - it's over fifty years ago - but in the 1970s I read a book called The Day the Queen Flew to Scotland for the Grouse Shooting by Arthur Wise, in which the North of England revolts because of its neglect and as the army marches North, to everyone's surprise, Nottingham resists.
DeleteNorwich was a jaw-dropper, but I suppose it is slightly north of Birmingham? But as it is always East, as in East Anglia, I think we can ignore the idea of its being northern.
DeleteWell that sounds an intriguing book, and one I've never heard of! Will look it up.
Thank you for these additions, and the idea that East Anglia is East and so cannot be North (even though both were part of the Danelaw? Is that just too far back for anyone except the medievalist here?). I think what really strikes me about US road signs is that even if they say North (or any compass direction) they also locate you on a grid. North--Chicago clearly puts you a very long way east from North--Seattle. The UK signs seem more two-dimensional. Except there is that whole East Anglia thing. Does Wales feel like "the West", or is the West Country west and Wales is another country?
DeleteI think Wales is west of the Midlands but north of the West Country, which seems to be mostly confined to the peninsula that juts out westward at the lower edge of England.
DeleteSure, that's *where it is* but I mean the feel--is there any overlap between the Wild West and Wales, besides the alliteration?
DeleteThe Midlands counties bordering Wales are the Marches.
DeleteWales is a different country, so although it is west of England, you would never include it in the West Country. And you would never say you were heading North if you were on the way to Norwich, East Anglia really is its own world.
Delete(In an article I wrote recently, a helpful sub tried to move the setting of a Fens book into a different county - because of an incorrect Wiki entry - and I had to come down full force on that, it wasn't just technically incorrect, it would have changed the whole feel of the book!)
... and, to be specific, from southern England you would never say 'I'm heading West' if you were going to Wales (West would be Bristol or south west of there), and from the north again: you don't go south to Wales, you go 'to Wales'.
DeleteMy comment on Norwich was to do with directions depending on where one starts from to a great extent - I certainly think of both Norfolk and Suffolk as East first and foremost, rather than South – but not so with Essex even though it too is part of East Anglia (and has East in its name). Essex is definitely South in my mind.
DeleteThe book by Arthur Wise sounds interesting. In my family we sometimes toy with the idea that once Scotland regains independence we’ll revive the old Kingdom of Northumbria (probably as a Republic), secede from England and negotiate a Northern Alliance with the Scots. I don’t think we’ve ever considered extending as far down as Nottinghamshire though.
Sovay
Bonnie Prince Charlie reached Derby, didn''t he? roughly in a line with Nottingham....
DeleteHe did! There’s some dispute in the family about whether Derbyshire and Cheshire should be included in the Republic of Northumbria - there may have to be referenda.
DeleteSovay
Sovay, I absolutely love your family discussion/plans for Northumbria, and it has the makings of an alternative-history fantasy novel!
DeleteThe Scottish Borders are hostile to independence, so they might prefer to join the Republic of Northumbria if they have a choice. John Arden's play Armstrong's Last Goodnight centres on the possibility of setting up an independent state between sixteenth century England and Scotland.
DeleteKen Livingstone had fantasies of London as a city-state - a sort of leftie Singapore-on-Thames.
The future is looking very unusual from here!
DeleteAnd if you come from one place but live in another, loyalties will be tested...
Definitely a whole sequence of alt-hist stories
At its largest, the old Kingdom of Northumbria extended well into Southern Scotland; however we wouldn't want to risk compromising the Northern Alliance with disputes over borders ... instinctive choice for our capital is York but Newcastle and Carlisle are also possibilities ...
DeleteSovay
I like the idea of deciding where your chief city will be, and you could also choose a building for your Important Residence. In the Wolf Hall books, Cromwell is very clear about the duty of the Percys, Earls of Northumberland, to hold the North. I feel sure you and your family can hold the north. (and not for the English King either)
DeleteWestron wind, when wilt thou blow
ReplyDeletethe small rain down can rain?
Christ that my love were in my arms
and I in my bed again.
Madeleine L'Engle wrote a novel called The Small Rain, but it's only a directional title if you catch the allusion.
You got in ahead of me! I love that little piece of poetry so much, it was already on my list for other directions, so glad you quoted it here.
DeleteI wasn't aware of the L'Engle book.
Also the basis of a mass by John Tavener.
DeleteI think it was C.S. Lewis who said the song was probably supposed to be by a woman. In mediaeval times it was much easier for a man to surreptitiously visit his lover than for her to visit him
- Roger
Another jawdropper for me! I have always assumed it was a man, and my own vision is of a soldier far from home. It is in a compartment in my mind with the character of John Bates in Shakespeare's Henry V:
Deletehe could wish
himself in Thames up to the neck; and so I would he
were, and I by him, at all adventures, so we were quit here.
I think it's all guesswork, so I am at liberty to stick with my version, no matter what CS Lewis says.
I will pursue the Tavener Mass.
Tavener's funeral was held in Winchester Cathedral, near where I live, and I have some very musical friends who attended, and who said the funeral music was transcendantly beautiful, the best they think they will ever hear in their whole lives...
Evening dress on an Atlantic crossing: "That night Manya [Katherine's stepmother] helped Katherine dress in the blue taffeta evening dress she had bought for her in New York. She sat on Katherine's bed, smoking, wearing a crimson silk embroidered blouse she had brought from Russia and a long black evening skirt. . . . She held the shimmering moonstone clip against the dark hair first in one position, then in another, until she was satisfied."
DeleteTaverner, not Tavener!
DeleteOnly out by five hundred years.
Oh I always get those two mixed up, can't remember which one has the extra 'R'.
DeleteDame Eleanor - I've worked out that's from the L'Engle book. Is it worth reading?
The crimson embroidered blouse might be like the one Barbara Pym owned IRL! Mentoned here https://clothesinbooks.blogspot.com/2025/09/clothes-in-books-day-out-barbara-pym.html
Yes, the 1985 edition, p. 76. Worth reading . . . probably. There's a Swiss boarding school, and some scenes in New York in the 1930s that give a strong sense of the period. The book tells of the early life of pianist Katherine Forrester Vigneras, who is a main character in another L'Engle novel and a minor one in some others. If you're familiar with Meet the Austins and the other books in that series, she becomes Emily's piano teacher (I think--it has been a long time since I've read these). In a back-door sort of way, the Austins eventually join up with the Wrinkle in Time books, because L'Engle seems to have enjoyed linking things together.
DeleteWhen I was in my 20s I found that L'Engle wrote novels for adults, and having enjoyed her children's books, I read the rest of her oeuvre, including her memoirs. She tells an anecdote about a writer or critic who visited her school and said there were 3 kinds of writers, "Majah, minah, and mediocah," and I think I might classify her as the last, sadly. And yet I do find her books compulsively readable, so, maybe high-quality tosh?
Taverner, not Tavener!
DeleteOnly four hundred years out!
I will say that I didn't get on with Madeleine L'Engle when i was a child, but perhaps I should try her again. The one you mention sounds interesting.
DeleteWe can settle on between 400 and 500 years.
DeleteI get on with her less well as I get older; the books seem more melodramatic, the characters more self-absorbed. The Small Rain is on archive.org, and I got drawn into it, but Katherine does seem extremely sheltered and naive (maybe this is to counteract the very formidable Madame Vigneras of A Severed Wasp?), and there are a number of older men whose interest in the teenaged Katherine now reads as very creepy indeed. The difficulty, for me, is the memory of my younger self enjoying what I now like less, so it's hard to make a clear judgment of either quality or what might appeal to others. But I do like the portrayal of a time when going down to Greenwich Village for pizza was an exotic night out!
DeleteDame Eleanor--Surely there's a class of writer even lower than "mediocah"? Or did that critic perhaps consider really bad writers beneath his notice?!
DeleteMarty, I also wonder about that! There are varieties of bad, too: the bad that aspires to be major (or at least literary) and can't manage it, and then the purely commercial that is happy to be bad as long as it sells, and I'm sure other readers could come up with further divisions. Where do we classify tosh, whether it's high-quality or low? There's a trying-too-hard quality to L'Engle that grates on me even more than the classism of a Thirkell or a Douglas/Buchan--and yet I wonder whether the problem (or solution) is that Thirkell is an ocean removed from me, whereas I recognize a fellow American's earnestness . . .
DeleteLooping back to "Westron Wind" - it's always had a female voice in my head.
DeleteSovay
Fascinating. Dame Eleanor, I recognize exactly what you say - an author you loved, but now can't quite praise: and also the exotic pizza! (Pizza would be an exotic night out a lot more recently in the UK). And yes, distance can help. I am particularly averse to miserable Irish novels because too close to home, but would probaly enjoy the same story elsewhere.
DeleteSovay: it is so interesting to have lived with (and loved) that quatrain for so long without ever realizing that it could be seen as female!
I have a distinct tune in my head too - a little Youtube research has identified it as this version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93_mYcRGNIE - led by Maddy Prior, which would explain the female association.
DeleteSovay
Dame Eleanor’s comments on her changing view of Madeleine l’Engle have reminded me of DK Broster’s Jacobite Trilogy, part 2 of which is “The Gleam in the North”. I loved it dearly when I was in my early teens but haven’t re-read for decades, and I’m now reluctant to revisit in case it hasn’t worn well.
DeleteSovay
That was short! No extending it at all... presumably the people who made a Mass from it were a bit more lavish πππ
DeleteOh me too, I loved DK Broster, the Flight of the Heron in particular, and not sure at all what I would make of it now. I still have the first book upstairs somewhere. Funny when I've just mentioned Bonnie Prince Charlie in another comment
The mediocah and the manuah.
DeleteI just picked up the full set of the Wrinkle in Time books after reading A Wrinkle in Time multiple times as a kid without the faintest inkling that it was part of a sequence. My intrigue is piqued.
I have no urge to read her grown up books, I'm just intrigued to know more about the Wrinkle in Time universe.
Tee hee. Sounds like something Katherine Hepburn would say...
DeleteYou'll have to let us know how you get on....
I like Charlotte’s Web and The Trumpet of the Swan but was never a fan of Stuart Little, so do not recall the ending. However, I sympathize with anyone puzzled by an abrupt or ambiguous ending. I was once given a manuscript to review which ended with a violent death. I found out later it was only 2/3 of the book!
ReplyDeleteI cannot quite remember the book in which a brother says of his sister, “Why don’t girls have a compass in their head?” and she replies something like, “Because we have brains instead!” It’s not Blyton but maybe Bannermere/Geoffrey Trease?
Speaking of Trease, my mother’s favorite is Trumpets in the West (which I believe is a reference to the Book of Revelations) about the Monmouth Rebellion. I am bad at geography but I know he landed in Lyme Regis so that is more southwest than west, isn’t it?
The Oz books have a strong compass orientation – the good witches lived in the north (Glinda) and south and the bad witches lived in the east and west.
I went through a phase of reading all the Andrew Lang fairy tales and liked the one called “East of the Sun and West of the Moon,” which is a sort of variation of Beauty and the Beast.
Constance
Oh thank you!
DeleteIf it's Bannermere I will have read it but don't remember.
I hate to be *that* old person, but it does seem to me that young people now, with their (incredibly helpful and useful) apps, don't have a feel for directions in real life, they just follow the instructions.
The boundaries are vague, but there is a very key perception of something called The West Country in England, which covers roughly everything West of an imaginary mid-line. Lyme Regis would be on the edge of that, but certainly included. I read so many of Trease's books, but don't remember that one.
I asked my book group to read The Count of Monte Cristo next month (it is longer than I thought so I may get some pushback when we meet tomorrow to discuss The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie - I coaxed them into Middlemarch by doing it over two months, so maybe that is the best strategy) because there is a new miniseries and I wanted to read the book first. Anyway, I just started and there is a great compass quote I don't think anyone has mentioned:
Delete"He pointed out to him the bearings of the coast, explained to him the variations of the compass, and taught him to read in that vast book opened over our heads which they call heaven, and where God writes in azure with letters of diamonds."
Oh I've just read it too! I will get to doing a post - I was encouraged by Chrissie so we will do something together. Goodness it's a long book - quite the contrast with Miss Jean Brodie πππ.
DeleteThat is a gorgeous quote.
It's Lucy in Prince Caspian who says, "That's because our heads have something in them." The Voyage of the Dawn Treader makes a big thing out of sailing east to "where the sky and water meet, where the waves grow sweet, doubt not, Reepicheep, to find all you seek, there is the utter East." And of course in The Horse and His Boy, north, to Narnia, is the magical direction. There's the notorious "Bad Tuesday" chapter in Mary Poppins (the first book) where the children travel North, South, East, and West, and meet some horrifically stereotyped people (this chapter was later rewritten two different times, the second changing the human characters to animals).
DeleteThanks Helen, I'm glad we've got that sorted.
DeleteYes I hadn't thought of the Narnia books but you would expect them to have lovely directional moments.
How interesting about Mary Poppins
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ReplyDeleteLondon has its East End and its West End, with distinctive cultures (or so it seems from my reading).
ReplyDeleteVery much so! Couldn't be more different. and there is always the iconic Pet Shop Boys song, West End Girls.
DeleteIn a west end town, a dead end world
The east end boys and west end girls
West end girls, west end girls
NYC also has its East Side and its West Side, as in West Side Story and the song Sidewalks of New York ("East Side, West Side, all around the town..."). Of course both NYC and London have north and south sides, but they don't seem as important as the east/west divisions.
Delete... and "Sarf of the river", where taxi drivers wouldn't go.
DeleteOh West Side Story - the ultimate division. I remember being so intrigued by the name when I first saw it as a child, something about the rhythm of West Side Story.
DeleteIn London the north/south division is extremely important, and more so than east/west I would suggest. obviously different in NY! What about cities like Chicago?
I come from Liverpool, where there's a north/south divide: 'them northenders are a funny lot'. (Subsitute southenders at will)
I wasn't aware of the north/south division in London, what little I know has been picked up from books and TV! Same with NY, really. I haven't read much about Chicago, but I've heard of its South Side. I suppose most big cities have divisions like that.
DeleteNorth of the River and South of the River are key phrases and descriptors in London. And they look different, and the transport situation is different. It's a very real division.
DeleteYes you do hear about the Southside in Chicago, but I wouldn't know what kind of area it is.
There was Southside Johnny, connected with the story of Bruce Springsteen, was that an area of New Jersey?
Chicago is interesting because it has no East! (East is Lake Michigan.) The West Side and the South Side are both dangerous, but really you have to be much more fine-grained about neighborhoods, as neither Side is as broadly problematic as the popular perception suggests. The North Side also breaks down into neighborhoods, but my native guide tells me that the idea of "the North Side" is "definitely a thing," and whether you are a Northsider or a Southsider probably determines whether you are a Cubs* fan or a Sox* fan (though there may be individual exceptions).
Delete*Chicago's two major-league baseball teams: the White Sox and the Cubs (Red Sox are Boston).
I don't know where Southside Johnny got his name, but he's from the Jersey Shore as is Springsteen.
DeleteI seem to remember from Roddy Doyle's "The Commitments" that Dublin also traditionally has Southsiders (posh and pretentious) and Northsiders (down-to-earth working-class).
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Chicago geography just as complex as I'd expect!
DeleteIf there's an East/West oriented river you are always going to have North and South aren't you? - London and Dublin alike.
...and in Saki (you were wondering how long it'd be before I reintroduced him, didn't you?) there's the woman who lives North of the Park (Hyde Park) and aspires to live South of the Park. She achieves her ambition in a way she does not enjoy.
DeleteThere's always room for a Saki comment - and always an apt one... Which story is it?
DeleteCross Currents in Reginald in Russia.
DeleteNot one of his peaks, but still very readable.
- Roger
I will look it up
DeleteYes - the perfect accoutrements of Saki in an unusual setting. Well worth it for the line "Any husband of Mrs. Dobrinton's we shall be glad to extricate, but let us know how many there are of them."
DeleteCheating slightly but I’m going to mention “Maigret Travels South” - not one book but a compendium of two in both of which he leaves the familiar environs of Paris. “Liberty Bar” is set on the Riviera, and Maigret is overwhelmed from page one by the soporific southern ambience. I don’t read that much Simenon but IIRC this is an issue that comes up quite often - Paris and the North are sensible, honest, businesslike, whereas the South is the haunt of con artists, corrupt politicians and loungers.
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I've read many references to "the South of France" where people go in order to escape gray skies and rain!
DeletePerfectly allowable! and yes Marty, I was thinking of that in relation to south. Oh for a Beaker full of the Warm South as Keats says. And all those train journeys in the 1930s, leaving a black and white world to move into colour.... eg The Mystery of the Blue Train
DeleteNon-fiction so may not count but: “The Idea of North” by Peter Davidson.
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Sounds very relevant to this discussion!
DeleteNo rules, so long as there is a direction! I don't know the book but I just looked it up and it has a beautiful cover.
DeleteDisney movie Song of the South, quite controversial these days for its Uncle Remus theme, but mostly remembered for the song "Zippity Doo Dah"!
ReplyDeleteI don't suppose it is shown much now is it? I think it was based on the Uncle Remus stories which again are probably not OK these days - we certainly had them at school, but that's a long time ago. We loved Brer Rabbit.
DeleteNgaio Marsh's Inspector Alleyn used to address his sidekick Sergeant Fox as "Brer Fox" from time to time, but the scriptwriters of the 1990s TV adaptation presumably weren't aware of Uncle Remus as they tended to shorten this simply to "Brer", which made no sense.
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DeleteCharles Villiers Stanford's fourth Irish rhapsody, based on Ulster folk songs, has the Tennyson quotation about the North written on the score. I think the implied contrast for him is that the South is papist and disturbingly disloyal to the British empire.
ReplyDeleteI've always thought that "Northern Ireland" is kind of a misnomer because not all of northern Ireland is included in Northern Ireland, and the rest of the island is simply Ireland (or Eire) instead of Southern Ireland. But the hostilities are real, as much as between our Civil War'sNorth and South.
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DeleteBlimey Johan, that's interesting and unusual. He's someone who achieved much but not featuring a great deal these days, or am I wrong?
DeleteMarty, you are a brave woman giving an opinion on Irish politics!
I guess he would be more famous if people cared more about church music.
DeleteI don't feel brave, is it really controversial to mention the hostilities these days? I wasn't coming down on either side, anyway.
DeleteJohan: is he worth seeking out?
DeleteMarty: The history of language and wording is important in the history of Ireland
I think that depends entirely on your taste. Some of his art songs have good melodies and are short.
DeleteI had never heard of an 'art song' and have just had to look it up.
DeleteI am right now listening to the Irish Rhapsody, very pleasing.
Canada has the Northwest Territories, with its own Northwest Mounted Police which I believe became part of the RCMP? We also have the North Woods, or Northwoods, which are shared by Canada and parts of our northernmost States.
ReplyDeleteI don't know about the North Woods. But certainly North and Canada go together in so many ways.
Delete. . . and Canada's national anthem refers to "the true north strong and free," which comes from Tennyson's poem, To the Queen.
DeleteI did not know that. I will look up Canada's national anthem. Is it called O Canada?
DeleteI am posting this on behalf of a friend, who reliably tells me that Sweden and Finland mention the North in their national anthems:
DeleteSweden:
You ancient, you healthy, you mountainous North
You quiet, you joyous beauty!
I greet you, loveliest land upon Earth,
Your sun, your sky, your countryside green.
You are enthroned upon memories of ancient days,
When honoured your name flew across Earth,
I know that you are, and you will be, what you were,
Oh! I want to live, I want to die in the North.
Finland:
Our land, our land, our fatherland,
Sound loud, O name of worth!
No mount that meets the heaven’s band.
No hidden vale, no wavewashed strand.
Is loved, as is our native North. Our own forefathers’ earth.
There's Westworld, the sci-fi film turned into a TV series. And of course there's the entertainment genre called the Western!
ReplyDeleteNow I wonder why it was Westworld? (rather than some other direction). The Western genre does make sense, and has made the word legendary.
DeleteI haven't seen either the film or the series, but I gather that it's supposed to be some kind of Western-style theme park staffed by robots! With complications, of course.
DeleteYes, it's kind of funny that almost nobody needs to ask where--"Western France?" "Western China?"--but knows what country a Western will be set in.
DeleteExactly right! Interesting.
DeleteWestern novels (and films - like Spaghetti Westerns) have got to the point where they're a sort of mythology separate from the real world, like the Trojan epics or the Arthurian legends. The author knows tropes and plays with them. Holly Lime in the book version of The Third Man is an example.
DeleteYes indeed, I wholly agree. Considering the era constitutes a very short time, not a huge geographical area, and not that many people - surely the fictional version is far bigger than the reality ever was.
DeleteIn Steven King's "Dark Tower" books, the American desert stretches out vastly farther than it does in the real world, so I think he was playing with that notion.
DeleteI suspect that if life in the Wild West were ever portrayed realistically, people wouldn't go for it so much! The cowmen (and women) and the farmers led harsh and dangerous lives (probably never brightened by Gene Autry serenading them). The lawlessness even gets glamorized, but it sounds pretty scary to me. You have to respect those pioneers who "tamed" the West.
DeleteSpeaking of Gene Autry, one of his song hits was called "South of the Border (Down Mexico Way."
DeleteDammit!
DeleteHolly Martins!
There was also something called "the Code of the West" which was supposedly the unwritten laws of cowboy life. Don't know if it really existed but it's part of the myth.
DeleteThe ultimate - and harshest and most dangerous - Western is probably Blood Meridian, which is based on real memoirs of the West, with not much gore added.
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West is definitely collecting a lot of comments. I like the Stephen King idea. Blood Meridian I couldn't get on with at all. I always assume the Western idea is much mythologized, and that the reality was very different, and I very much mistrust all those 'codes' people come up with, unwritten rules are not kept if you ask me. (I'm talking about many different situations here, not just the West.)
DeleteSouth of the Border: when we visited my Granny's house there was a piano, and the piano stool was full of very varied music. There was a booklet of lyrics for popular songs of many years ago (early precursor of Smash Hits) perhaps, and we used to pore over it. We were fascinated by two songs in particular: and one was South of the Border, because it ends aye aye aye aye and on and on and this was printed out in full endlessly, and we thought this was hilarious.
The other one was a song called 'Cement Mixer Putti Putti'. I don't think any further explanation needed for our fascination.
But we did wonder what on earth was going on with the songs of olden days
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Helen: having older siblings teaches children a thing or two about survival.
DeleteWhen we moved to Seattle being so far West was one of the things we loved most. I remember sitting on the waterfront and looking out into the Sound and thinking this was as far West as I had ever been.
Helen’s brother is right, though, in a way – there’s the practical geography of West, and then there’s the Idea of West, which is not the same thing. West seems often to be mysterious and alluring in a good way (I think Celtic Otherworlds are often West across the sea), East mysterious and threatening, though evidently not in CS Lewis’s stories which is interesting. I’m guessing this is related to the Christian underpinning of his world, with East as the source of blessing and salvation. However Tolkien, though also a very committed Christian, goes with positive associations for West, negative for East in Middle Earth.
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East and West is a construct, fair enough - go west far enough and it becomes East, but we as human have decided where the dividing line is.
DeleteVery interesting ideas abbout religion, I'll have to think about that.
The circularity of East and West is part of the USA's origin story, Columbus sailing West to find a better way to the East and running into a whole new continent on the way. But also Helen's brother must have had a vision in his head of life "out West" which was not the same as life in Seattle ...
DeleteAll the Western comments in this thread put the mind of a directionally-titled James Thurber essay, "The French Far West".
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I don't know the Thurber at all, I must look it up.
DeleteYes, Helen's brother is very reasonable and correct, looked at a certain way!
If you lived in Hawaii, Puget Sound would be East.!
DeleteHawaii is a long way south of Seattle! you would have to travel southwest from there. Go East from Hawaii and you get to Mexico. Travel West from Seattle and you hit Sakhalin....
DeleteMy ignorance showing again!
DeleteI have the advantage of having lived in Seattle, and flown to Hawaii from there!
DeleteHow could I forget the famous film North by Northwest?
ReplyDelete... and what a great film it is
DeleteKind of related to "north is best"--don't know about Britain, but over here to "go south" means to get worse.
ReplyDeleteYes good point, it is 'all going south' is not a good thing. Even though we like the idea of southern sunshine.
DeleteI've always thought of "going south" in that sense as "going downward," like falling over dead or the graph of the stock price going down or something.
DeleteMaybe it's connected to the north-up thing, south=down.
DeleteYes, good points both
DeleteTwo other childrens' books which 'go north' - in 'Winter Holiday' the Swallows and Amazons designate the furthest point of the frozen lake as the North Pole, and the book ends with a race to get there first. And I picked up a book called 'North With The Pintail' during a trip to Hay on Wye, about two boys who are on a trip to the Arctic and get stranded there over the winter. It's marketed as 'An Adventure Story', published by Guild Books. The Pintail is a boat, so there's a certain amount of sailing and adventure, but the climax of the book is about the resilience the two boys show once they're stranded and how the two very different characters learn from each other.
ReplyDeleteHow could I not have thought of Winter Holiday, one of my favourites of the S&A books, and the race to the North so important. Dick and Dorothea's finest momet.
DeleteI found a picture of North with the Pintali, looking like a classic 1950s boys' adventure story. It sounds intriguing.
‘ “I hope you’re right,” said Susan. “I can’t remember all that at all.”
ReplyDelete“That’s the worst of girls,” said Edmund to Peter and the Dwarf. “They never carry a map in their heads.”
“That’s because our heads have something inside them,” said Lucy.’
Also, my favorite Madeleine L'Engle is And Both Were Young, no fantasy element, just a post-WWII school story, based on her own experience at boarding school.
Excellent, thanks!
DeleteI am going to have to read one of these Madeleine L'Engle books - and that one sounds promising.
And then there is the west being the 'evening country', where the sun goes down. The idea doesn't seem to be very current in English, but it used to be in German, Spengler's Der Untergang des Abendlandes is a well-known book. Das Abendland, or the occident, is the place where the sun goes down, as opposed to the orient, the place where the sun comes up.
ReplyDeleteThe Dutch wikipedia tells me that the name Europe may come from the Phoenician 'ereb' which means evening. Seen From Phoenicia the sun went down over Europe.
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Thank you, very interesting
DeleteAnd cowboy heroes used to ride into the west after they'd saved the town or whatever. Come to think of it, there's a movie Into the West about two little boys and a maybe-magical horse, set in Ireland, with Gabriel Byrne as the boys' father.
DeleteYes, West was always the way to depart. I remember that film, it was charming IIRC
DeleteVictoria Wood's Southern English newsreader skit ' We'd like to apologise to viewers in the North. It must be awful for them' .
ReplyDeleteOh yes. 'Here's a warning about chip-pan fires. That's for our viewers in the north: you don't get burned to death by coleslaw.'
DeleteSpookily I was just looking through a book on 50s&60s photojournalism and found the cover of the Sunday Times Magazine 28 March 1965 Special issue : The North . Photo by John Bulmer of an exhausted looking middle-aged woman pegging out washing.
ReplyDeleteNo stereotypes being challenged...
DeleteMention of a middle-aged woman of the North reminded me of the detective series (books and TV) featuring Vera Stanhope, set in Northumbria I think. Portrayed on TV by Brenda Blethyn, who's too attractive for the part, but that's showbix and I thought she did a great job!
DeleteYes - Vera is great and so is Brenda B. She certainly did her best to dial down her atrractiveness with her awful hat.
DeleteI read the books before the TV series started, and the way she is introduced in the first book - the Crow Trap - is one of the finest moments in any of the books!
The South and Bene by Adelaida GarcΓa Morales. These are two short novels (very short, less than sixty pages) published by Carcanet Press in 2004 and by the University of Nebraska in 1999. In El Sur, Adriana travels from northern Spain to the home of her paternal aunt, Delia, in Seville. In addition to being a land of dreams in contrast to a harsh, cold, and unfriendly present, the south represents her desire to reconcile with her dead father (this is not a spoiler: it is revealed in the first line of the story) and to learn more about him before he emigrated to the north.
ReplyDeleteSouthern Spain does have a romantic sort of mystique, and the Basque Country doesn't sound too welcoming from what little I've read about it. I wonder if there's a clear division between north and south there?
DeleteThank you, really interesting additions to the list.
DeleteI think the different provinces of Spain are indeed very different, though I don't think the Basques are unwelcoming
Thank you from Donostia, Moira! :)
DeleteAha! And greetings to you, and your welcoming friends...
DeleteMy apologies to the Basque Country!
DeleteThey're so nice I'm sure they'll forgive you πππ
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DeleteI've been thinking.
ReplyDeleteIn A. S. Byatt's Babel Tower, Frederica Potter's housemate Agatha Mond is writing a fantasy novel called Flight North.
Would you consider Northanger Abbey, or is that cheating?
Joan Didion, South and West.
Jack London, South Sea Tales.
The animated series South Park.
Salman Rushdie, East, West.
Pearl S. Buck, East Wind, West Wind.
Stewart O'Nan, West of Sunset.
Erich Maria Remarque, All Quiet on the Western Front.
You're covering the compass there! Thanks very much. What a list... covering all different kinds of literature as well
DeleteHaving moved to New Zealand, it is most disconcerting that a southerly wind is cold (not like Kathleen Ferrier singing Blow the wind southerly) and estate agents boast about north facing properties.
ReplyDeleteIt's interesting that north is up, on a map, and south is down, but the convention is that trains run "up" to London, even if starting from the north.
I will add West End Front, by Matthew Sweet, and West From Home, which is a collection of letters written by Laura Ingalls Wilder when she visited the World's Fair in San Francisco in 1915.
Also Great Northern? by Arthur Ransome, which refers to the Great Northern diver, but is set in the Hebrides, and is another question mark title for good measure.
Was there an English highway called the Great North Road? Vague memory, maybe from Sayers.
DeleteAs a committed Northern Provincial, I don't accept the "London is up" convention - as far as I'm concerned it's always Down to London. But in Angela Thirkell's novels set in the West Country (and probably others of a similar period) stations seem to have an Up platform (for trains TO London) and a Down platform (for trains FROM London).
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Susanna I can quite see where that would throw an immigrant.
DeleteI loved West end Front - fascinating book.
And indeed, Great Northern? is a double whammy (I don't think bridgecoats are mentioned to make it a triple)
Sovay: In my part of the North, not only is it Down to London, it is Going Down to That London.
but yes, the up train and the down train always important.
Great North Road answered below...
The Great North Road was the road from London to Scotland, later the A1 and M1. If I remember right, in the 1920s and 1930s characters in novels drive up (and/or down) it at high speeds.
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Yes indeed, a good adventurous name, full of mystery and magic, and frequently featured in the novels Marty reads.
DeletePeople in mid-century books also liked to drive out along the Hogs Back in Surrey: driving very fast and stopping at a roadhouse along the way for a cocktail or two.
I used to read about it in books - and in fact when I finally travelled along it in real life it did not diappoint, as it is an impressive road with amazing views. (I didn't stop for a cocktail.)
Just one more thing - well, two actually - "South Wind" by Norman Douglas, and a poem that you can legitimately disallow as the title isn't directional (though the poem is full of North, South and West); also, it's about cricket ...
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It is little I repair to the matches of the Southron folk,
Though my own red roses there may blow;
It is little I repair to the matches of the Southron folk,
Though the red roses crest the caps, I know.
For the field is full of shades as I near a shadowy coast,
And a ghostly batsman plays to the bowling of a ghost,
And I look through my tears on a soundless-clapping host
As the run stealers flicker to and fro,
To and fro:
O my Hornby and my Barlow long ago !
Whole poem is here: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/At_Lord%27s
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Thanks Sovay for the Columbo moments!
DeleteI didn't know the poem at all - I think I only know him for the Hound of Heaven, but very charming & melancholic and not only for cricket lovers. I read it all.
Un-cricket-people, and non-UK-dwellers may need to know that red roses are associated with Lancashire and particularly the Lancashire cricket team (Lancs - obv - being in the north)
Lancaster PA in the US is known locally as the Red Rose City, and the city of York in the next-door county is the White Rose City. (On New Year's Eve a red rose in illumination drops at midnight in Lancaster.) I doubt if a lot of Pennsylvanians know the origins of those names, though. Americans don't always know much of our own history, much less another country's.
DeleteOh that's so interesting, I'd never heard about those places. People with an eye to the connections with the old country! I'm quite sure many young people in the UK have no idea about red roses and white roses....
DeleteStill current in cricketing circles in the UK, where a match between Yorkshire County Cricket Club and its Lancashire counterpart is known as a Roses match. And I think the White Rose remains significant in Yorkshire, many towns fly the White Rose flag and on the very rare occasions when I myself feel the urge to wave a flag it will usually be the White Rose rather than the Union Jack.
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Oh yes, I wasn't for a moment implying that the roses didn't still exist! I just think only the cricket fans would know among young people.
DeleteI don't think I've seen a reference to Elizabeth Bowen's To The North. It's largely set in a travel agency, so people are setting off in every direction throughout the novel.
ReplyDeleteYes indeed, I forgot about that one...
DeleteI haven’t been quite nerdy enough to do an actual count, but my impression based on all the comments is that North and West are the most popular directions in book titles; South not too far behind, but East not getting much play at all except in conjunction with West. I think “East of Eden” may be the only title in which East stands alone.
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I think you are absolutely right!
DeleteI just started reading a fantasy novel called The West Passage, by Jared Pechacek; so far so good, though I am baffled as to why it is called "a medieval fantasy." I suppose everything is in the middle of something!
ReplyDeleteAre you going to report back and tell us what the West Passage links...?
DeleteTowers, apparently (the Grey and the Black; there are also Red, Blue, and Yellow off in the distance), and it's a nasty space full of jackals (things called jackals though they do not perfectly correspond to this-world jackals). Some Beast is moving, but it's unclear whether the Beast will burst up from underground wherever it wants to or if it will come along this passage.
DeleteNot a genre I read, or am familiar with, but I hope you enjoy!
DeleteWell that was interesting though I admit I have not read all 196 comments.
ReplyDeleteDirections are far rarer in my fictional reading than I would have expected. In the 1,100 works of fiction I have read since Jan. 1, 2000 there is nary a book title with east or south. West appears once in Western Star by Craig Johnson. North appears once in Alamo, North Dakota by Phil Rustad.
Going North from my part of Saskatchewan means heading into the wilderness. The tree line starts about 125 km north of Melfort. From there north are trees and rocks for several hundred kilometers and then nothing but tundra for many hundreds more to the Arctic Ocean. Were there any way to travel by road it would be 2,000 km from Melfort to the Arctic Ocean. While sometimes Canada is referred to as the Great White North I consider it more apt to think of the Great White North as starting with the tree line.
Thanks Bill. I was really surprised when I checked my records and found so few book titles with directions, and I suspect you were the same!
DeleteThanks for the description of your North - fasctinating! The 2000km distance is mind-boggling, especially to us in the UK.