Good Clues & Good Discussions: Who is Simon Warwick? By Paricia Moyes

 


There has been a delay in offering a new blogpost because the last one - on Jane Austen's Emma - produced such a remarkable discussion below the line that I wanted to let it run and run. More than 120 comments at time of writing, a blog record, and more contributions still welcome. Who would win in a fistfight between Robert Martin and George Wickham? How serious are Emma's mistakes? Does Mr Woodhouse have any redeeming features, and why are parents so awful in JA? And much much more... 

Everyone has strong opinions, but the remarkable thing is how friendly the chat is -  nobody gets mean about it. In current internet ways, this is truly remarkable. Thank you to all my readers




And now, finally, a new book:



Who is Simon Warwick? by Paricia Moyes

published 1978




My friend Jim over at the Invisible Event blog recently did a fascinating post about clues in Golden Age mysteries – I strongly recommend it. It includes a tour de force of showing different ways a writer could introduce the same clue: the white scarf.

It got me thinking about clues, and I mentioned in a comment to the post that one of the best I remembered came in a book that wasn’t otherwise very memorable. And this is it – I took it down off the shelf for a reread in the wake of Jim’s activity.

I have done a few Patricia Moyes books on the blog (see tag below), and have enjoyed some of them: they usually have interesting settings, and I can always get worked up about Henry Tibbett being very annoying and his wife Emmy a doormat -  full discussion here, and not challenged in this book by the way.

Who is Simon Warwick? has an excellent setup: a rich dying man – a lord and a businessman – decides to search for his lost heir, a nephew who was orphaned and adopted, the eponymous Simon. He wants to leave his fortune to him. The child was taken to the USA, and his name was changed, and the lord dies before he can be found.

So now two different claimants come forward – how to decide which is the right one? Impersonation! A great favourite round here.

So there is some investigating into the two men, and then – just as they are about to confront each other – one of them is murdered in a solicitor’s office on a Saturday morning. (A weird reminder of one aspect of Michael Gilbert’s Smallbone Deceased)

I should have enjoyed all this enormously, but my memory was that it didn’t quite work for me, and it was the same this time. (I will come on to the question of the Good Clue shortly.) I wasn’t invested in either of the two claimants, and could guess some of what was going on. It all became quite meta, regarding who might have a motive, depending on who was the real Simon Warwick, and then a rigmarole about arrests and arrivals from the USA and lost characters.

However: there was one aspect that I had completely forgotten and was not expecting at all. Plainly I can’t give this away, though with my patent  #spoilernotspoiler system there are similar plotlines in works by this author,

& this one

& this one

(not necessarily the book in the linked post, and all of them wrote shedloads of books, so you can triangulate or not as you choose)

It was a big surprise, and handled well I thought.



Now, when I started rereading, I had no real memory of anything except double-Simons, and the clue. When the clue turned up I was very surprised about who was involved, I would  not have remembered that at all. Because I was looking for it, the clue jumped out at me, but I truly believe most people would not spot it.

And that’s all I can say.

So – an interesting read, with some points of interest, but not recommending everyone rushes out to find it…

Sometimes Patricia Moyes gives good clothes, and sometimes she doesn’t. Not this time, so I have chosen a couple of women who resembled my idea of those in the book - particularly the respectable wives of various respectable men - from fashion magazines of the era.

Comments

  1. Christine Harding27 October 2025 at 09:16

    What a tease you are!

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    1. I know! Feel I can't do other.... the Good Clue is rather a giveaway...

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    2. Christine Harding27 October 2025 at 09:48

      Your friend Jim’s post about white scarf clues and how to hide them, or make them obvious, is fascinating. From now on I shall read murder mysteries in an entirely different way!

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    3. I know, it's a brilliant exposition isn't it?

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  2. I read this earlier in October funnily enough, which at least means I have enough of a memory of it to remember the clue you are hinting at. I was definitely surprised by the ending, but I am not sure it is well clued enough, as the key clue is a visual one which we don't get access to until near the end. Tibbett also does some off the page recording checking which we can't interact with.

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    1. That's a coincidence, given that her books aren't exactly top of most people's piles these days! I remember saying to you that only you and I sill read Elizabeth Ferrars, and perhaps Moyes is the same. I thought there was the Good Clue, and the rest was a bit of a mishmash, not too coherent. And the adventures at the end were a bit mad. Still, an easy read.

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    2. I've read several Moyes books (and still read Ferrars too). Funny that I didn't see Emmy as a doormat, because I'm usually

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    3. Darn Enter key, it keeps jumping under my fingers! (Marty here.) I usually notice doormat behavior, maybe I was too young when I read these books. I thought the books (and sleuths) were pleasant but a little blah.

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    4. I think Moyes would say that she isn't a doormat, and that Henry and Emmy have a relationship that is equal but different (that well-known defence of apartheid). And occasionally she has good moments, or pursues her own line. But I find them very annoying. YMMV!

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  3. You know, Moira, I haven't read Moyes in a while, so I'm glad of the reminder. It's interesting, isn't it, how a book can have one great element (in this case, a clue), but otherwise not be memorable. And of course, if you mention much about the clue, it spoils the story. Hmm....stories that hinge on that one clue... I'll have to think about that.

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    1. It is a strange book, and not her best, but it did have intriguing elements.
      One clud is an interesting concept! I am remembering two different books, where someone goes back into a room/house to collect something. There is evidence that the ultimate victim is alive when they come out again, but is murdered later. When you've read as many crime books as we have, we immediately suspect that 'still-alive' evidence, and know immediately who must have done it... Obviously I'm not saying what those books are!

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  4. I couldn't resist adding just one more thing on the Emma post ...

    I have no memory of ever reading anything by Patricia Moyes, which is odd, because based on her Wikipedia entry her books would have been in libraries in the 1970s and early 1980s when I was prepared to read pretty much anything. Don't think I'm going to be adding her to my list.

    Thoughts about clues remind me of Sarah Caudwell's "The Siren's Sang of Murder", and Julia's indignation that the murderer is so old-fashioned as to leave a large, tangible, obvious clue (in the form of a pen with engraved initials) when modern practice requires forensic clues invisible to the naked eye.

    Sovay

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    1. I love 'just one more thing' going on forever.
      Sirens is on my list to reread and I am looking forward to it. Adonis was always my outright favourite, but they were all good.

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  5. "... the respectable wives of various respectable men." Such an achievement for them. Along with smearing lipstick on one's cheek (??) Although, even if they were achievers in their own right, the magazines would no doubt have ignored that.

    I certainly remember devouring Patricia Moyes in the late 60s, early 70s. Everything the library had. Gosh, that was long ago....

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    1. Patricia Moyes had rather old-fashioned milieux for her books - it always surprises me because she herself was a very go-ahead career woman, working at Vogue, travelling and so on. You wouldnt know from most of her female characters.
      The trend for dual-use blusher/lipstick cosmetics obviously passed you by! It was quite the thing when I was young and experimenting. The old 1970s magazine make-up ads on pinterest tell the story....
      And helped me formulate a useful policy: if something says it is dual-use, reversible or one-size, then it will be useless at all its formats. Not 100% true, but a helpful guide.

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  6. Just one more thing... I once heard the late, great P.D. James give a talk on clues. Her point was that clues have to be buried among lots of other trivia, so as not to be too obvious, and therefore detective novels are some of the very best texts to read if you want to learn about daily life in a certain time or place. (For instance, if you want to learn about the advertising business in the 1930s you should read Murder Must Advertise by Dorothy Sayers.) And then, at the end of the talk, she said that the masterpiece when it comes to hiding clues is not a detective novel at all, but Jane Austen's Emma. But of course.

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    1. Interesting! I have always said the same, not copying PDJ. The domestic trivia has to be correct, so that the clues can hide in plain sight.

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    2. It would be delightful if Christie, that past master of hiding clues in plain sight, had learned the skill from reading Austen. She might have read "Emma" and thought that placing clues in the boring chatter of someone like Miss Bates would be very effective!

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  7. I have read quite a few of Moyes's novels and this sounds interesting. However I went to have a look on Amazon and the very first review entirely gave the game away! What were they thinking? So I didn't even have to follow your links to know what you were talking about. A true spoiler that means I don't much want to read it now. So be warned, fellow readers ... Chrissie

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    1. Oh no! I just went and looked (safe for me!) and absolutely, what a complete giveaway. Why do people DO that? The second review did the same...

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  8. The dénouement really surprised me. I didn't see it coming and I thought she handled it really well, no sensationalism. The set up of the will and the search was bit tedious though. Not her best -that would be Murder à la mode for me.

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    1. Yes, very good summing up of my views. And I too think Murder a la Mode is her best - but I may be biased in its favour because of the fashion content!

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