Before Lunch by Angela Thirkell
published 1939
This was, I believe the last of Thirkell’s books to appear
before WW2 broke out: she most certainly carried on writing her light novels,
but they became Home Front books. Is it a little darker, does she reflect that
war is coming? Perhaps, but it is still a very funny book, with no foreboding
that all their lives will soon be turned over. It is full of great lines,
excellent conversations and beautifully portrayed social events.
As a good champagne Bolshevik I ought to despise Thirkell,
with her elitism, class consciousness and snobbery, but I let her off for
entertainment value, although I can’t read too much of her in one go.
There never seems any reason to go over the plot – several
families, some young people who might be looking for love, dinner parties, an
agricultural show, a lot about cows. 
Some of the characters from August
Folly feature – there is always
crossover in her work, and there are people, mostly glimpsed in the distance,
who are from other books.
The key families are the Middletons, the Stoners, and Lord
and Lady Bond. Mr Middleton is no villain, but is horribly, recognizably awful.
He talks like this:
‘We shall talk as man to man with old Margett, talk racy of the soil, and then to tramp, burning the long miles beneath our feet, over to Worsted, by the ruins of Beliers Abbey, to Skeynes Agnes and so home, talking as we go…The whole soul of England abroad on the hills today.’
His wife and his business partner both put up with him and
actually revere him, and this is hard to believe because he is so annoying.
This morning he was dressed in a blue shirt, a kind of shooting jacket in large checks with pockets capacious enough for a poacher, orange tawny plus fours, canvas gaiters and heavy nailed shoes. It is true that no gentleman farmer off or even on the stage ever wore so preposterous an outfit or wore it so unconsciously, but to go about looking like an eccentric gave Mr. Middleton unalloyed pleasure..
A surprisingly-modern touch: Lady Bond has a weekend guest
who has to have special starch-free bread, and there is great difficulty
obtaining it. All very familiar to a gluten-free age.
Lady B is a choice character, I liked this:
Lady Bond in a useful coat and
skirt and wearing a useful felt hat was installed on a sofa that had belonged to
Pauline Borghese, pouring out tea.
But come  Sunday, and
church, and  her hat is a different
matter:
Lady Bond's hat was all that Daphne had hoped. A massive erection of brown velvet crowned with the produce of field, flood and grove, it was perched high on its wearer's head with fine disregard of fashion. Lady Bond, whose mother was Scotch, had been brought up in the best tradition of Edinburgh hats, a tradition which dies hard and still dazzles the rash beholder's eye at afternoon concerts in the Usher Hall, and always got her hats from the same shop in Prince's Street. Mrs. Middleton maintained that she had identified on Lady Bond's Coronation year hat a lobster, two hares' claws, a pineapple, a large bunch of parma violets and a fox's mask and though no one believed her, everyone admitted that she had the root of the matter in her.
A nice selection of possibles here I thought.
Lady Bond bullies Lord Bond, and there is an excellent
section where he waits till she goes away for a few days before inviting some people
over for a harmless musical evening:
“But you needn’t mention it to
my wife” said Lord Bond anxiously.
"Jolly good idea," CW
said. "Make it Wednesday and I'll run down for dinner."
"That's right. We'll be
four then," said Lord Bond, feeling like Guy Fawkes.
There is this robust view from the young man above, whose
first names are Cedric Wayland: 
“schools aren't what they were. In my father's time a boy with a name like that would have been persecuted till he hanged himself or was taken away and sent to an agricultural college, but no one minded it a bit at [prep school] They thought it was pretty foul of my people and I was always called C.W. And of course at Eton nothing matters."
In the end, most of the plotlines work out – one has a
melancholy ending, and there is another where modern sensibilities are somewhat
put out. (Age gaps, plus someone switching their affections rather easily from
one generation to another.) 
The book is a classic Thirkell comfort read. 
She very much doesn’t describe what any of the young people
are wearing: the top picture shows fashions of 1938, though these are very
Parisian, and probably hadn’t reached Worsted and
Winter Overcotes in the English shires.
Picture from Brycelands
of London.



I recently listened to the audiobook of High Rising - my first Thirkell novel. It was a bit of a mixed experience for me, but I did like all the clothes! The quotes you've included here made me smile and think that I should give her another go.
ReplyDeleteUnrelated, but I did watch Miss Pym's Day Out after you recommended it here and really enjoyed it - thank you as I wouldn't have heard of it otherwise!
She's always worth a try, though the quality varies somewhat. If you can enjoy her, she does make for a good standby comfort read.
DeleteSO glad you enjoyed Miss Pym's Day Out - I thought it was so clever and original, as well as just lovely to watch.
I can see how Thirkell's work is comfort reading for you, Moira. The quotes you've shared show how she worked some wit into her stories as well as those lovely description of clothes - and hats! And those family stories really can be effective as comfort reads...
ReplyDeleteYes, she is the right author for the right moment. And good clothes go a long way with me... as we all know!
DeleteDue for a re-read - Miss Starter and the elusive Kornogg bread rang a bell but for some reason the Edinburgh Hat didn't. I have a soft spot for Daphne Stonor, another of AT's forthright young women, and particularly enjoy her making short work of Lady Bond's assumption that she'll provide free secretarial services for Lady B's NIMBY committee. I do NOT have a soft spot for Mr Middleton ...
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Miss Starter changes during the book - just a nuisance at first, but then has good advice.
DeleteDaphne is, as you say, an excellent character. I too loved 'half a crown an hour seems fair'.
I'm recalling some of this book, especially Mr and Mrs Middleton. He reminds me a little of the self-important author friend of Laura in "High Rising"--very annoying, but not in the same league as the jerks in Pym's books, and I don't feel as exasperated with their womenfolk as I do with Pym's inexplicably-devoted heroines. (Thirkell was married several times, and later in life she claimed she enjoyed not having a husband around, so maybe a difference in outlook?) Thirkell usually made fun of young men who fell for older women, but here she seemed less mocking. As for the snobbery, I try to take it as unintentional humor but it does grate sometimes. Later on she did have a sympathetic working-class millionaire whom her "county" people pretty much accepted.
ReplyDeleteshe has strong views, which she assumes her readers share, and sometimes you dont know quite where they are leading. She was very well-connected, and not slow in making that clear, but I don't know all that much about her life.
DeleteHer book Three Houses is a kind of memoir of her childhood, which didn't seem at all like life in Barsetshire. *Family* was very important in her books, but in her own life not so much except for childhood. I suspect the multiple divorces would have shocked her well-born Barsetshire folks!
DeleteA while back I read Monica Baldwin's memoir of leaving a convent in the early 1940s - it's called I Leap Over the Wall - and Thirkell (who was a cousin) took her in to live with her for a time.
DeleteOne of my favourite authors (along with Barbara Pym) I'm re-reading some of her books at the moment. The humour certainly outweighs any snobbery which I think is of the period. Also, I think her wartime books give an insight into life on the home front as they are written more or less as it happens.
ReplyDeleteThe Provincial Lady and Mrs Tim also have some interesting accounts of the home-front, although not as funny as Thirkell's.
DeleteYes exactly - her WW2 books do have that immediacy and I love the details in them.
DeleteI think I had less of a problem with the age switch, as the original pairing was self-evidently a mistake at the time for both people, and the final result made a lot more sense.
ReplyDeleteI find that my tolerance for her has increased over the last few years. Compared with modern real-life examples and lowered expectations, the fact that many of her well-off characters, although sometimes oblivious, do behave as though noblesse oblige matters is somewhat endearing.
The Wikipedia article on her suggests why she might have had a distinctly pragmatic view on husbands, which is evident in her books as early as the 1930s. I think I may have mentioned before that the use of Barsetshire suggests that she may have used Anthony Trollope's mother as a role model for her career.
Perhaps it is reading too much into it from a modern perspective, but in this book, I felt that the sensitive young man falling for the older woman was a case of a man who was hiding his own preferences from himself by choosing a safe subject of devotion.
Noblesse oblige is all very well, but the corresponding assumption that the lower classes should know their place and stay in it is less endearing.
DeleteThe older woman/younger man dynamic is not quite as usual in her books (at least, those I've read) in that the older woman is emotionally engaged - usually the young man is clearly suffering from short-lived calf-love and the older woman is simply amused or irritated or both ...
Sovay
Thanks Adrian and Sovay for very interesting and peceptive comments. It is hard not to bring modern sensibilities to the situations in her books. I do try, but in this one the turnaround was hard to take.
DeleteI wonder if Thirkell herself had some experience with "calf-love" (great description) from younger men, and saw herself as one of those women who inspire such adoration?
DeleteI wouldn't be at all surprised, one of the books in particular (can't pin down which right now) had the real feel of a lived experience (or alternatively, a true Mary-Sue)
DeleteSovay - I quite agree on the condescension aspects, but living in an era where contempt without responsibility is the elite's SOP, noblesse oblige doesn't seem too bad. Maybe the war books also made me more tolerant, as her description and treatment of the self-made man and his daughter softened significantly as the war went on.
DeleteAnother difficulty with her is trying to work out the balance between what she believes and what she thinks her readership believes. That is why the Trollope mother analogy interests me.
Whenever I start to think that she means it seriously, the Brandons' stockings, the obviously lesbian writer and her friend, and Lydia's riding of male hens make me suspect she was just enjoying herself getting merde across the radar.
She is indeed very varied, you can't always quite pin her down: that gets me through the difficult bits 😀.
DeleteTrollope's mother as role model is a fascinating idea! Both women knew how to garner publicity and make a book rewarding.
And yes, those moments - the village of Winter Underclose is one of my favourites.
I've tried Thirkell from time to time, but just not my cup of tea.
ReplyDeleteI've been so so busy the past several days, no time to comment, but I do keep on enjoying the passing parade of fashion.
By the way, your pics of the Shootin' Fellahs, above, made me thing of a pic I captured from somewhere. No clue as to who they are or where I found the pic. I've shared it for you to use as you choose. I really don't think I'd care to be invited to lunch....
(or perhaps it was yours to begin with?)
https://www.dalyght.ca/fileshare/lord&ladysomeone.jpg
One of those hunting gents seems to be carrying his gun in a rather unsafe way.
DeleteWhat an amazing picture Susan, thank you. No, I've not seen it before - it looks like a still from teh recent series of Jilly Cooper's Rivals, though it planly isn't. What a picture...
DeleteYes Marty, I think he needs an extra lesson.
DeleteIncidentally, one of those ‘two countries divided by a common language’ things - in Britain the careless hunting gent isn’t a hunting gent but a shooting gent. Hunting gents require riding gear, horses, lots of hounds and traditionally a fox (occasionally a hare or stag) but no firearms.
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I was only thinking of this in relation to Jilly Cooper RIP! Her excellent book Class explains all this, I think. Not growing up in those circles, I had to learn as an adult.
DeleteMr Middleton's horribly arch way of talking sounds like a cross between Mr Mybug from Cold Comfort Farm, and the kind of twee nature essay Lissa Evans inflicted on Noel in Crooked Heart "(… and as sweet vernal zephyrs dance betwixt blackthorn and rustling rowan, that roguish fellow, the robin, tilts a curious head o’er the lea …)".
ReplyDeleteImmensely irritating but I think quite "of its time ".
I think AT's aiming for the Hilaire Belloc / GK Chesterton hearty beer-swigging in-tune-with-the-peasantry style, rather than the twee and roguish, though both are equally annoying. Clearly everyone around him knows to reduce his estimate of how far he's rambled by about half.
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An example of the Belloc style:
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Sovay
Something about the countryside brought out the worst in people - that Belloc is hard to take.
DeleteNo wonder Stella Gibbons had so much to work with in Cold Comfort Farm.
I read every Thirkell one summer long ago (my library had nearly all of them) but don't remember this one. Actually, it is hard to keep them straight, despite the fact that some are much better than others. My favorite was The Duke's Daughter. I recall one annoying character who for several books was in love with an actress who had no interest in him - everyone seemed to know, including the girl he later settled for. Hmm, I am tempted to go grab one from the shelf now but it is midnight . . . . Get thee behind me, Satan!
ReplyDeleteMrs Oliphant also wrote a novel called The Duke's Daughter (AKA Lady Jane) which featured a really annoying duke. One conversation with his very sensible wife has her practically gritting her teeth in exasperation.
DeleteI meant "grinding her teeth" although she may have had to grit her teeth as well, getting through problem-plagued days with the Duke.
Deleteboth Duke's Daughter books sound intriguing. I think I wanted to read the Thirkell one at some stage and couldn't find a copy: perhaps I should try again.
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DeleteI need to look at a full list of her works to see where the gaps are... I've never tried to read her in order
DeleteI've found this site to be the best reference (and The Duke's Daughter is here too). https://www.oliphantfiction.com/x0100_fiction_list.php?listtype=n
DeleteGreat thanks! I'm about ready for a new one I think...
DeleteI’ve decided to branch out from the pre-war Thirkells and was quite tempted by “The Duke’s Daughter” but in the end ordered “Jutland Cottage” - published in 1953 which I’m hoping is far enough on for AT to have recovered from her chagrin and resentment at the election of the post-war Labour government.
DeleteSovay
... and then you can read my blogpost on it, which I note is illustrated with the girdle I used in another recent post.
DeleteMoira, I think this is where the Venn diagram of our literary tastes don't overlap! I did try her and wanted to like her, but no .... Chrissie
ReplyDeleteFair enough! The times when she makes me laugh make up for the times she annoys me. and excellent on the social details. there's one that really gives the lowdown on a young woman's weekend away at a houseparty - the joys and difficulties.
DeleteMr Middleton’s style of speech reminds me of William Boot in Evelyn Waugh’s Scoop. Boot writes the nature column in a national paper, producing priceless prose such as ‘feather-footed through the plashy fen passes the questing vole’. He gets mistaken for a highly respected author with the same surname, and is sent off to cover a war zone. If you’ve never read it, you should. It is one of the funniest books ever!
ReplyDeleteYes indeed, and a great favourite of mine.
DeleteI have to admit that the phrase (or is it a sentence? It would work as an independent sentence) "to go about looking like an eccentric gave Mr. Middleton unalloyed pleasure" makes me warm to him, however horrible he might otherwise be. I have soft spot for people who dress up unashamedly, being SO tired of the comfortable-clothes-and-sneakers aesthetic that seems to totally dominate the scene these days. (Sneakers are not shoes if you ask me, they are a kind of exercise equipment.) Yes, I am conservative to the point of reactionary when it comes to dress. Please, can we have some elegance? Or at least some eccentricity? Where is the fun in being anonymous and comfortable? You will be comfortable in your coffin, but until then I want fun!
ReplyDeleteA rousing call to arms Birgitta! I agree with a lot of what you say, but I do go for flat shoes nowadays (not what we call trainers, which are only for the gym) - I know you stunned us all recently by telling us that you always wear heels. Respect!
DeleteThis is slightly off topic but here's a challenge for you in the light of the sad departure of Jilly Cooper from these whacking-thighed lands of jolly-hockey-stickdom. I've never read a Jilly, but I feel like she was in that very particular school of author who is virtually a personality/celebrity and beloved simply for existing in themselves, like Jackie Collins or Barbara Cartland (the latter inspiring a curious blend of absolute horrified fascination and delighted pink-bedazzled adoration) who had such amazing presence and such fully realised humanity that you didn't need to have read their books to know who they were - but you also knew exactly the kind of books they wrote.
ReplyDeleteI've racked my brain and I can't think of anyone active today who fits that pattern. Jacqueline Wilson probably comes closest to this, with her warmth and empathy and genuine care for and investment in her audience, and I guess there's a case to argue for Michael Rosen, but with the surgence of the celebrity author, there's so many famous authors who are known for other things than writing books. A friend made a strong case for the lovely Reverend Richard Coles, but I actually don't automatically think of him as a writer.
That's a very good point/question, and I follow your argument all the way.
DeleteI'll have to try to think, and I hope other people will.
I'm trying to think of an author who might be on a chatshow because of their entertainment value, not just because they have a book to sell....
Richard Osman seems closest - famous in the UK before he became an author, certainly, but his focus now seems to be firmly on writing and as a number of comments on this blog have highlighted, outside Britain he is regarded, and respected, as an author first and foremost. Daniel - I agree about Richard Coles - authorship very much overshadowed by his roles as vicar, TV personality and ex-Communard though that may change if he keeps writing.
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Yes, good suggestion. And he is very entertaining and charming. When he was 'just' a TV presenter, he had quite a presence on Twitter and his feed was really good fun.
DeleteI don't think Richard Coles is headed for national treasure status, but that's very subjective!