Jane and Prudence by Barbara Pym
published 1953
[excerpt]
Prudence looks lovely this
evening, thought Jane, like somebody in
a woman's magazine, carefully ‘groomed’, and wearing a red dress that sets
off her pale skin and dark hair. It was odd, really, that she should not yet have
married. One wondered if it was really better to have loved and lost than never
to have loved at all, when poor Prudence seemed to have lost so many times. For
although she had been, and still was, very much admired, she had got into the
way of preferring unsatisfactory love affairs to any others, so that
it was becoming almost a bad habit.
comments: I think of this as a calming book: and also a charming one.
Jane and Prudence are two old friends: Jane is a few years older, and married
to a vicar, with a grown-up daughter Flora. Prudence is very attractive and
clever, but - as above - has never married any of her many boyfriends, and is
something of what was then called a ‘career girl’. She has a crush on her boss,
the awful Dr Grampian, whom she helps with his work.
Jane and her husband Nicholas are just taking over a new
Parish, and Prudence comes to visit and gets involved in various aspects of country
life, as well as meeting an eligible widower Fabian – whom the reader can see
would be just as bad a choice as Dr G.
So lots of low-stakes enjoyment here. Jane is not a natural
clergy wife and doesn’t seem to have the clothes, the flower-arranging
ability, or the social small talk for the job. But she enjoys life, thinking
her thoughts and watching the congregation.
Prudence lives the London life in her elegant flat, eating
out and judging restaurants and their clientele.
The book starts, above, at a reunion in the Oxford college
that both women attended, and this was a happy chance for me because I have lately
been at the Barbara
Pym Society conference at St Hilda’s College Oxford…
And in my talk there I mentioned that
Miss Doggett in Jane and Prudence is grandly dressed wearing
‘a large hat of the type known as ‘matron’s’, trimmed with brown velvet and
little tufts of feathers.’
- And
that there had been a whole long
discussion of these matron
hats on my blog.
Poor Jane has terrible clothes:
It was difficult to say
whether the garments she now appeared in were any more suitable for the
occasion than those she had been wearing before. Her dress, a patterned navy
foulard with long sleeves, was really too light for October and was a little
crushed, for, as Flora rightly guessed, it had been put.away in a drawer since
the last warm weather. She had also taken the trouble to change into silk
stockings and a pair of very uncomfortable-looking navy shoes with pointed toes
and high heels. Her face had been hastily dabbed with powder of rather too
light a shade.
Prudence has a red velvet housecoat. ‘Had she entertained Fabian
in her red velvet dressing-gown?’ Jane wondered. (No, is the answer)
Jane and Prudence seems to me to show two sides of Barbara Pym – is it too strong to suggest that the two women represent the different directions she might have gone in, the two sides of her character? She never was a clergy wife, but she obviously played with the idea a lot. And she was a woman-about-town, a woman with a job, but not quite to the same extent as Prudence.
Prudence – Miss Bates – turns up rather unnervingly in A
Glass of Blessings, though only glimpsed round the edges: Wilmet’s husband
Rodney, whom she tends to take for granted, is having lunches with Prudence on
the downlow. A Glass is 5 years after J&P and in all honesty most
readers would be hoping Prudence was happily married by then….
Jane’s printed dress clover vintage
I can see how you think of this as calming, Moira. It does sound as though the book's focus is more on 'regular life' and not so much on building tension and suspense. And sometimes that's just what the doctor ordered. I like the two contrasting lives; I can see how that made you wonder whether it might be a bit of self-exploration on Pym's part. Interesting! And lots of great clothes discussion!
ReplyDeleteYes Margot - this really was my kind of book. Sometimes a person wants crime and tensions, and sometimes something gentler
DeleteI know I’ve read somewhere that Barbara Pym considered Prudence to be the character in her books that was most like herself, not least in her penchant for affairs with unsatisfactory men.
ReplyDeleteJane would be perfectly happy in her terrible clothes if it weren’t for the fear that she’s letting her clergyman husband down - and there are hints that he sometimes wishes she’d make more of an effort. In fact the navy foulard dress &c IS her making an effort, though without success – most of the time she wears clothes suitable for feeding chickens in.
I was quite sure there was a matron’s hat in J&P, but couldn’t find the reference for any of the relevant posts …
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I have somehow never thought of Barbara Pym as an expert dresser, but the way she describes Jane failing to pull it off in the navy foulard outfit (which sounds lovely to me) indicates someone with a great sense of dress.
DeleteSurely Barbara loved clothes. In the 30s she knitted jerseys with a "deep welt", very fashionable. (Lucy)
DeleteThe dark full-skirted dress in the patterns picture looks like a foulard to me (with my limited clothes sense). Jane wouldn't have looked so shapely in it, I'd guess.
DeleteSovay: Jane seems happy(ish) most of the time, but obviously she is very aware of how the ladies of the parish view her.
DeleteI was saving the J&P matron hat for the book's own post...
Birgitta: Barbara Pym was very big on clothes - in real life and in her books. That was the subject of my recent talk for the BP Society. She was clever with her clothes too, thought about them a lot and made them work for her. Reading through her old diaries and letters for clothes references was fascintating. Poor Jane's outfit sounds nice - she just didn't know how to wear it. It has the feel of Pym describing something she had seen.
Lucy: yes! also very obvious in her archives - always knitting something.
Marty: Yes, it could indeed by foulard. The drawings on sewing patterns are very hard to live up to in real life, the shapes not terribly realistic
She is aware of how they view her, but I’m not sure she’d care if she wasn’t also aware that it will affect how they view Nicholas and so potentially make his job more difficult.
DeleteThe matron hat - I was searching for it to add to one of the Matron Hat posts but evidently kept missing it (though I did find the “large berets of neutral-coloured felt” worn by all the older ladies of the parish). So I’m glad you tracked it down!
That red housecoat is lovely, and clearly NOT a dressing gown - the fitted shape and lack of tie belt I think are what distinguishes it in this instance.
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I think I had less patience with Jane reading this again - in the past I thought 'good for her, going her own way' but this time she seemed neither one thing nor the other: she knew what was wrong, and wished she was more efficient, but wouldn't do anything about it.
DeleteYes, very pleased with the housecoat - it is SO difficult to find nice pictures of these, I am on a constant search, and this was a great find.
Jane was a great example of the Open-Mouth-and-Insert-Foot principle! Her matchmaking did annoy me, although it's said that happily married people just want their friends to be the same. She reminded me of a Stella Gibbons book (called--wait for it--"The Matchmaker") where a character rather complacently tries to arrange people's lives for them.
DeleteCiB - I know what you mean, but I still find Jane sympathetic – she’s trapped in the clergy wife role that doesn’t suit her, and that she didn’t really choose for herself, but the only way to escape it and re-find her own identity is to stop being married to a clergyman, and that’s clearly not on the cards. And yes, maybe she should pull her socks up and try to be a better clergy wife, but when she does (as when she walks in on the meeting in the church) the result is usually that she’s made to feel she’s got it wrong and made things worse … she might have been better off as a slightly scatty don in the style of Miss Lydgate.
DeleteMarty - that's one of the few Stella Gibbons novels I've read and really not liked because that character is so completely oblivious to the harm she's doing - much worse than Jane, whose matchmaking seems to be largely based on wishful thinking rather than significant action.
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I have the Gibbons Matchmaker on my Kindle but not read yet - you are both persuading me that i must try it soon.
DeleteI can't truly decide about Jane - though I do think she would be a lot better off if born 30 years later - more options and, fewer expectations of clergy spouses.
Well, I'm now reading this, having found it in OpenLibrary, although I thought I'd read all the available BP novels there! So far Jane strikes me as a bit like the fictional vicars themselves, slightly absent-minded, very literate, even slightly inept socially (my, how she blurts). I couldn't help but compare the college reunion to "Gaudy Night" and was surprised to see the emphasis on marriage as the women's primary goal. But then this was the 1950's, and a different world from Sayers' England. (Wonder what Bunter would've thought about rationing? But then Wimsey was so rich they could probably get whatever they wanted....)
ReplyDeleteA good point about marriage - perhaps as education for women became more open, marriage was seen more as the norm.
DeleteI think the Wimsey's would have been very prim and priggish about sticking to the regulations and not using the black market - but they'd probably have some wonderful cook who could perform miracles.
I always loved Aunt Sadie in The Pursuit of Love, not realizing that Juan was the king of the local black market, and a poacher - she just thought he was terribly clever at making do in his continental way.
I’m sure you’re right about the changing view of marriage for university women – in the early days when higher education was a hard-won privilege there must have been an expectation that one would have a career or in some way “do something” with one’s degree, and those were the days when women were not just expected but often actually forced to give up their job or career if they married. Things did change post-war and Prudence wouldn’t have had to resign if she’d married (though there’d probably still have been a lot of pressure on her to do so).
DeleteBoth Peter and Harriet seem to have a social conscience to some degree – hard to see them knowingly dealing with the black market. I’m not so sure about Bunter though – if Peter was at a low ebb and Bunter thought he needed some little luxury to pick him up …
Sovay
Having children was the real stopper for working wives I think - being married could be fine in some jobs, but what to do with the children when/if they came along?
DeleteBunter - now I'm visualizing a sitch in which Lord peter is nobly martyring himself to keep to the regulations, and Harriet and Bunter conspire to give him what vitamins he needs. What do you think?
Children, and caring responsibilities generally, were the usual justification for employers who forced women to "resign" on marriage - this applied to civil servants before WW2 and I think to teachers as well, and probably other professions. I can't remember offhand if Prudence is a civil servant (though I feel she must be - isn't that how she comes in contact with Rodney Forsyth?).
DeleteI think Harriet would struggle to go against Peter's known principles - especially if she shared them, at least in theory. She'd probably end up confessing to him, and nobly insisting that it was all her responsibility, nothing to do with Bunter ... Bunter I suspect would be more ruthless, and would do well to pull the wool over Harriet's eyes as well as Peter's.
Sovay
You should be writing those continuation novels Sovay!
DeleteMy mother had to retire from her job as a PA in an oil company when she married in 1956 (and then return as a temp when they couldn't find a replacement...)
DeleteThere's a whole view of the world contained in that story!
DeleteOne of the reason things changed was for practicality - such a waste of those married women's skills.
Pym certainly seems a lot like Prudence. In the collection of her letters and diaries , A very Private Eye, she has many male friends but no real relationships though she adopts at least one ex-boyfriend's wife as a 'sister'. Plus both Pym and Pridence are obsessed with clothes and accessories and the social niceities thereof.
ReplyDeleteYes, I was always veyr suspicious of that 'sister' busines, she plainly wasn't letting go of the boyfriend, it was a way of holding on. I suspect Pym didn't like her at all, and was deeply jealous.
DeleteAnd definitely took her clothes very seriously.
Fabian's late wife was apparently in the habit of asking his girlfriends to tea--some kind of passive-aggressive protest?
DeleteOh yes - exactly what Barbara would have done if you ask me. Putting a good face on everything.
DeleteI think it ties in with BP’s stalkerish instincts too, trying to gain an element of control through knowledge …
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Yes, good point.
DeleteYears since I have read this one. I must go back to it. Yes, I have always thought she was very interested in clothes and enjoyed finding the right ones for her characters. Chrissie
ReplyDeleteIt's an enjoyable read but nothing much happens - not nearly as sharp as, say, Glass of Blessings, but great for comfort reading.
DeletePym, like Prudence, was often described as cool, detached, elegant, distant & even looking bored (though this was explained in A Very Private Eye as a cover for shyness or social ineptitude.) They both seem to 'try too hard', which can be both mysteriously attractive and off-putting. The descriptions of Prudence's behaviour show Pym's self-awareness about how she herself sometimes came across.
ReplyDeleteInteresting - I didn't see her as shy or inept on re-reading A Private Eye recently.
DeleteBut I love the description 'both mysteriously attractive and off-putting.' Definitely fits some patterns of behaviour.
Shades of Mr Darcy....shy people are often perceived as aloof, even when they have fairly "correct" social behavior.
DeleteI always liked what Elizabeth says about his lack of social skills - that he should practise and get on with it, rather like her with the piano. I always feel like cheering at that point.
DeleteI’ve alwaŷs thought Prudence enjoyed being unhappily unmarried - it was part of the persona she created for herself that made her seem special. But her heart remained untouched by her many flirtations and she had no real desire to be married, which is just as well since men seem to regard her as ideal for a dalliance, rather than a long term partnership. Dowdy Jessie Morrow is better able to catch and keep a man, despite her jumper-suit, the coat and tweed skirt that don’t quite match, and the flowered crepe which had been her best dress for several summers and has a band of plain colour let into the skirt to lengthen it. I love the way Barbara Pym takes as much trouble with clothes for minor characters - I’m particularly fond of Mrs Glaze’s hat, straw with a bird on it. Presumably it’s the same one she wears when she’s making pastry for Jane and the vicar,
ReplyDeletePrudence says there's no chance at all for a lasting relationship with a fellow she's seeing, in spite of her liking for him. Sounds as if she prefers "living in the moment" and just enjoying the experience, which might be a viable lifestyle if you don't have anyone dependent on you and don't care about security. She doesn't see much of a choice between "boring" marriage and "lonely" spinsterhood, or even the possibility that either condition might not be as bad as that. Maybe she's not even capable of love, as opposed to crushes and dalliances.
DeleteChristine: very interesting perceptions. She has a very nice life, and if only she didn't have to deal with other people who assume she longs to be married, she might be more settled.
DeleteMarty: As you are actually reading it right now, this is very helpful. She is an unusual character, and it is fascinating to think how differently she would be treated in a contemporary novel.
She does seem to be prepared to marry Fabian if he asks, but she's upset and mortified, rather than heartbroken, when Jessie Morrow poaches him - it does seem likely that the expectations of the time are what make her dissatisfied with her situation. Jane's matchmaking can't help - and clearly the plot she's hatching at the end of the book to marry Prudence to the local MP comes to nothing as Prudence is still single five years on.
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I don't think that today she would be called a "career girl/woman" except as a very broad alternative to a housewife, because she doesn't seem all that committed to her work (which is....what exactly?). Unlike Jane, she doesn't dream of writing about her favorite poets, or of setting the Thames on fire some other way. I didn't see any signs of professional ambition, or even much interest in any area of work. Also, Pym's women generally don't try to "have it all"--they either have a job or have a family, and never the twain shall meet. (I haven't read all her books so maybe there are exceptions I don't know about, but I wouldn't expect to hear about work/life balance issues for women in a 1950's setting!) One thing that bothers me about some of Pym's women is the "he's awful but I love him" trope, which of course is found in other books but seems characteristic of Pym especially. I wonder if Prudence's crush on her icky boss would be treated lightly and humorously today; I think she might come in for harsher criticism.
DeletePrudence's work does seem vague, you're right. But I can't imagine her as Mrs Manifold, or Mrs Anyone.
DeleteHousecoats came up in Shedunnit a while ago, and some one found pictures, which I'll try to track down. The red one is covetable! Years ago, my sister gave our mother what we thought of as a housecoat, actually a summer dressing gown, lightweight patterned material, short sleeves and a little below the knee.
I think she knows that Fabian would have been a mistake, even though he is one she was prepared to make - so not too heart-broken.
DeleteI had to keep checking that Pym never makes it clear what Grampian or Prudence do: I think that's unusual in her books, she likes to make it clear. I wonder why not this time.
I have spent a lot of time on housecoats over the CiB years, and the varying definitions, and US/UK differences. More pictures always welcome!
Arthur Grampian's books are clearly excruciatingly dull and pompous - perhaps so much so that BP can't bear to dwell on them even though she invented them! Miss Trapnell's and Miss Clothier's jobs seem even more nebulous than Prudence's - they don't seem to interact with Grampian as Prudence does, but equally they're not lowly typists - so what do they do?
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... and he is dull and pompous. and how can he possibly need all those staff?
DeleteI was startled by Miss Doggett's skunk stole. Google tells me that skunks are indeed used for (odorless) fur, but I'm afraid I just don't see the appeal!
ReplyDeleteCheap, presumably!
DeleteWould "cheap" be a recommendation in Miss Doggett's eyes? She seems quite comfortably off and not one for "elegant economies".
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Didn't Mrs Doggett have her clothes made to order, or am I mis-remembering? She might still have been careful about her spending, though.
DeleteThe spousal unit runs a trap line in winter (we live in a rural area). He tells me that skunk fur is beautiful; glossy and soft.
DeleteIt's just the idea of skunk that's off-putting I think. I have come across it as a dress fur before.
DeleteShay - your comment is wonderful in so many ways.
Skunk seems to have been a relatively cheap fur in the 1920s, which may be when Miss Doggett acquired her cape. But come 1953 she doesn't want to be associated with anything identifiably "affordable" - she's silently affronted when Jane suggests that she might someday wear a dress from (indrawn breath of horror) Marks and Spencer!
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I'm sure there's a character in a book who wears a skunk coat - I think maybe a brash young American chap. I will try to push my brain into remembering
DeleteThe skunk coats have aroused memories of American college boys in raccoon coats - I’m not sure where they’ve come from. It could be F Scott Fitzgerald; on the other hand it could be SJ Perelman.
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Exactly what I was thinking Sovay, remembering the raccoon coats. And definitely brash. But can't pin it down...
DeleteThe skunk fur needs a re-branding exercise - quite apart from the association with appalling stench, the name just doesn’t sound soft, glossy and luxurious. Just as weasel sounds much less desirable than ermine.
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Yes exactly, you are so right! Prizes for someone who can think of an alternative name for skunk...
DeleteI had a crush on Barbara Pym many years ago when she was "re-discovered" and republished after the TLS article/survey on underrated authors. But I was very young then and obviously not a particularly good reader. I have been meaning to reread her for some time now, and this proves that it is time. What a brilliant observer she is! Not only does the navy foulard outfit demonstrate her dress sense, but also her understanding of a person like Jane who is fundamentally NOT interested in clothes.
ReplyDeleteA person who is would have been thinking about what to wear for the occasion weeks in advance, taking the navy foulard out of the drawer and ironing it to begin with, then tried it on to check the effect: "It is my best and I have the fancy new shoes to go with it, but is it too summery? Can I accessorise it so that it seems not quite so light? Some other shoes? Slightly darker stockings? Maybe I need a navy blue shawl to go with it? A cashmere one? Cashmere is expensive, but if I buy a cashmere shawl I could also use it to dress up some of my existing autumn/winter frocks." And so on. But Jane just takes it out and puts it on without reflecting on the general effect.
I love your stream of consciousness description! And yes Jane quite other.
DeleteI too was introduced to Pym by the TLS excitement, but have stayed with her. She was such a clever, good writer - though I'm not sure anyone has explained what is great about her to my complete satisfaction.
Not an original thought, but she was a lot like Austen in her focus on courtship and marriage--or "relationships" in Pym's case, seeing that times had changed dramatically. Of course they both shared an ironic wit. Pym strikes me as a bit more cynical/realistic. Was it Larkin who said he'd be more excited by a new Pym than by a new Austen? (And a new Austen would definitely cause a splash.)
DeleteI'm always unsure about that Austen comparison, I feel they are different kinds of writers. Larkin loved to take a contrary view, I could see him not being an Austen fan. He and Kingsley Amis studied together and delighted in being rude about the EngLit greats.
DeleteOh, I do enjoy all the comments on Moria’s posts. They are always a personal viewpoint, and so erudite, interesting and entertaining (have I said that before?). It’s like being part of a book club, only better! And there is always such an excellent choice of books.
ReplyDeleteOh thank you, what a lovely description. I am lucky to have such wonderful readers, all willing to contribute in such interesting and perceptive ways.
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