Annoying detectives - do we have
room for them all?
In my last post,
The Layton Court Mystery by Anthony Berkeley
I mentioned that series sleuth Roger Sheringham was annoying, and said in passing that maybe we needed a list of annoying detectives. I'd actually planned a different post for today, but the subject brought a lot of suggestions (always my hope) and my dashed-off list of my own ideas is getting bigger by the minute ('how could I have forgotten X?') so I'm putting it out there now - and you can get a good start on those pesky investigators in the comments on the first post.
Of course please post your own comments, suggestions and arguments. Bring them on!
This is my off-the-top-of-my-head list of
Annoying Detectives
- not in any particular order:
1) Roger
Sheringham, Anthony Berkeley’s series sleuth. There is an
important distinction here in that he is clearly meant to be annoying – where
so many others are obviously loved by their creators.
2) As in:
Lord Peter Wimsey, the creation of Dorothy L Sayers who was
deeply in love with her idealized man. I love the books, love Sayers, they have
been with me for most of my life and I will continue to reread my favourites of
her oeuvre forever. But still – someone should have stopped her from portraying
LPW in such a cringe-making manner, and making Harriet D Vane such a Mary Sue
character
3) Tommy
and Tuppence Beresford, everybody’s least favourite of Agatha
Christie’s detectives. They are arch and annoying, and Christie never
really got a handle (apparently) on how old they are at various points – the
timeline goes crazy throughout the books. Postern
of Fate is a candidate for being her worst book of all, so
only right that T&T are there being irritating. The Beresford books also
make for the worst TV adaptations – I don’t know that anyone’s every bothered
with an actual film.
4) Adam
Dalgliesh This was PD
James’ usual policeman and he is grim, horrible, judgemental – and also one
of the leading poets of his day. We know we are meant to like a character when
Sir sees a copy of one of his books on their shelf. I recently wrote about
authors who invent characters solely to give them awful traits and then despise
them: PD James is the mistress of this, and – guess what? - Dalgliesh shares
her views. I also quoted recently Curt Evans’ spot-on judgement that PD James was
prone to ‘the idealization of the learned professional class’.
5) Inspector Alleyn. From the Ngaio Marsh novels. The main objection is that he has the nickname ‘Handsome’ Alleyn, which is a most unconvincing idea. Also, I said in one of my posts:
Marsh goes even further than usual in showing us clearly
who is nice and who isn’t. At one point, while interviewing suspects,
Alleyn has this thought:
As he lit his pipe he was visited by a strange
thought. It came into his mind that he stood on the threshold of a new
relationship, that he would return to this old room and again sit before the
fire.
Not to spoiler, but do we seriously then think that anyone living in the house concerned is any longer implicated in the crime?
7) Patricia
Moyes’ detective was Henry Tibbett, and while I often
enjoyed the books, I found him an awful man, and particularly disliked
the way he treated his wife Emmy – a couple of times actually
putting her in the way of danger.
8) I know many people love these books, but I can’t bear Donna Leon and the awful Commissario Guido Brunetti and his wife and his lovely meals of Italian food. They set my teeth on edge with the opinions served up as fact, the weird hatred for the Catholic church (what did they ever do to Leon?) and the self-satisfied air. They nearly ruin Venice for me. (not quite).
9) John Banville – writing sometimes as Benjamin Black – has a series of crime novels based in the past featuring DI St John Strafford. They are awful, Strafford is awful. When I read one called Snow, I complained afterwards that the detective was incompetent and did no detecting. The person I said this to replied that there were next to no murders in Ireland in the 1950s, so the poor fictional policeman would have had no experience. Fair comment. However, I considered the book to be horrible, predictable, lazy and shoddy and apparently not edited at all. He may be able to write a Booker-Prize-winning novel, but he can’t write crime and he doesn’t know enough about the Chalet School (see specialist complaint here).
10) A comment on the first post reminded me how much I dislike Inspector Lynley and his sidekick Barbara. Lord Snooty and Minnie the Minx, as someone close to me always called them (the same person who knew about Irish crime as it happens). I dislike the posho, object to some of the least convincing dialogue in any book ever, and also feel that Elizabeth George has set her books in the UK but gives the impression that she has never spent any time here at all – when I try her books I am constantly distracted by the basic items she gets wrong about everyday life in the UK.
That’s 10, and then I’m going
to add in a couple more who are not ready for the full list. I suspect if I
read more of Caroline Graham’s books I would hate Barnaby, but I haven’t got
there yet. Blogfriend Marty had this helpful gloss:
I read the Midsomer books after having seen them on TV, and was very surprised (and yes, repelled) by Troy. It was a good thing they changed him for TV, although the first episode had Barnaby being unnecessarily snarky to him. That's a good thought that he was written to make Barnaby look better!
Michael Innes’ Appleby is the hallmark of a boring book for me, but I’m not sure how annoying he is. The Norths in the Lockridge books are always teetering on the edge of being infuriating, but not quite falling over, and the same applies to dreary Lady Lupin, whom I know many people like.
Blogfriend Dame Eleanor Hull said this:
I've been surprised by how
unlikeable I find various detectives in televsion adaptations (Dalgleish,
Lynley) and I can't decide if I'm misled into liking someone whose point of
view I'm taking while reading, if other people read characteristics and ways of
speaking very differently from the way I do, or if this is an artifact of
adapting to the screen, either deliberately or because of that loss of
interiority.
Which I think will resonate with many people.
And my friend Chrissie said:
Honestly, when it comes to GA detectives, it might be easier to say which ones aren't annoying in some way.
So right – have at it. You can argue with mine and add your
own…
(Use tags or the search function to find posts featuring these detectives. Pictures are mostly from previous posts, people who might be annoying detectives, victims etc)






Have you seen the newer TV versions of Lynley & Havers? Not at all like the earlier ones, and not at all like the books (surprise!)--obviously aimed at today's younger viewers. Whether they're any less annoying than the originals is debatable, although I found them too uninteresting for annoyance!
ReplyDeleteNo - I couldn't bring myself to watch it. I am done with Lynley.
DeleteI 100% agree with you on these, Moira. Which, I realise, might be a bit annoying ... I would definitely add Joyce's Porter's Inspector Dover and Mickey Spillane's Mike Hammer.
ReplyDeleteOh great additions, I nearly included Dover, but took him out, thinking I might reread...
DeleteIs Lord Peter the Fanny Price of detective fiction? There seems to be a quite a divide among readers' opinions of him. I discovered him in the Ian Carmichael TV series and have a sentimental attachment, but I've found it harder to read the books than it used to be. Sad that Sayers fell in love with him, but I've never seen Harriet as a Mary Sue--she got cross and grumpy once in a while! Ngaio Marsh was snarky on the subject, but she was almost as bad with Alleyn who was a male Mary Sue IMO.
ReplyDeleteYour first sentence is excellent! But why can't a Mary Sue be grumpy? - I am guessing Sayers would think it justifiable. And I have aways felt tht Vane was so plainly an idealized DLS, the original Mary Sue....
DeleteSimilarly, for me, memories of Ian Carmichael in the solo adaptations and Edward Petherbridge and Harriet Walter in the romance adaptations make it easier to read the DLS books than it might otherwise be.
DeleteFrom what I have read about the men in her life, I'm not entirely surprised she preferred her fictional creation. I always liked the story that when she started writing him, when she was feeling at her most impecunious, she would write about him enjoying the expensive luxuries of life
In relation to adaptations, it is normally easier in a book to convey ambiguity in the way the author intends or to show that a detective is aware of his prejudices or is doing things because the job demands it.
I don't doubt that Harriet is an idealized DLS, and I don't think Sayers is he only author who has done that with a character. Maybe Harriet is an idealized version of me, too, because I could identify with her more than with Troy, for instance. At least "The Vane" has more character than the love interests of many other detectives....
DeleteAdriandominic makes a good point about adaptations. It must be screenwriters' and actors' biggest challenge to make it clear what's going o n inside characters' heads, in a camera-friendly way. (Not to mention how their interpretations may differ from those of the viewers, but that is bound to happen no matter what they do!)
DeleteAdriandominic: you make very good points, and yes, DLS did not have good luck with men. I think perhaps no adaptation can match the nuance of a book.
DeleteMarty: I just had a hilarious moment when I thought you were talking about Barnaby's sidekick Troy! ! But no, I know you mean Alleyn's wife, and indeed Sayers did a lot more with Vane than most authors would've. And Harriet is a much better choice than Troy (either of them)
I read somewhere that Roy Marsden, the first Dalgliesh actor (I think), referred to the character as "Doris" so he may have shared your low opinion....
ReplyDeleteThat's hilarious!
DeleteYou've got quite a list here, Moira. It's funny, too, how some of these fictional detectives can really divide readers. Some absolutely adore them, and some... do not. Marty above makes an interesting point about detectives being, well, interesting. I wonder what's worse: an annoying detective or one who's not engaging enough to be annoying?
ReplyDeleteGood point Margot. I do find some of the classic police detectives dull - which is not the same as annoying
DeleteI suppose that in some types of detective fiction, the detective isn't supposed to be the most interesting aspect? I think Inspector French is pretty bland in himself, but his tracking down of the criminal(s) is the real attraction of those stories, so the detective's personality (or lack thereof) isn't so important.
DeleteI didn't explain that very well...of course tracking down the culprit is the point of all detective fiction, but in some books what the detective DOES is more important than what he IS. (Don't know if that's a good explanation either, but I'm giving up on it!)
DeleteI completely agree with that for one single reason, it leaves the books shorter. Nowadays half of every book in a popular series concerns itself with the inner emotional turmoil of the detective, his private life or lack of etc etc and that leaves us with books seldom under 450 to 500 pages, half of it has nothing or very little to do with the crime. Some started their series with books around 350 pages (Elizabeth George) and rarely finish now before page 800. Or Ian Rankin with 210 pages (first book) and up to nearly 600 and now back to more manageable 350 pages. It's a pet complain of mine I know but Christie rarely needed more than 220-250 pages to tell her stories.
DeleteMarty very good justification for a less-than-wildly-exciting cop...
DeleteAnd Jotell - I couldn't agree with you more. What has got into everybody?
Marty: that is a very good justification for a less-than-wildly-exciting cop
DeleteJotell: I couldn't agree with you more - what has got into everybody?
This is a very amusing article. Now please give us a few that you don’t find annoying. Or, perhaps, that you find annoying, but like anyway.
ReplyDeleteThank you. Favourite detectives is a very appealing idea - I think there might be more disagreement there. I will certainly work on it.
DeleteYou left out Philo Vance! He is the one detective that I prefer in films, William Powell in the Kennel Murder Case was fabulous. The books are tedious. Chris Wallace
ReplyDeleteI second the Philo Vance nomination. In books, he is unbearable.
DeleteYes, I can see he is the People's Choice for annoyingness. I failed to include him because I read one, then skimmed maybe two more, so his opporunities for annoying me were limited.
DeleteHis reputation proceeds him, so some of us avoid him! I'm sure he is a great detective, but not one I'd like to know better.
DeleteAnd I second the comment about William Powell!
DeleteI haven't seen any Philo Vance films, but I do have a major liking for William Powell
DeleteI find Albert Campion with his gnomic utterances and pointlessly complex but unexplained past very annoying. TIGER IN THE SMOKE was great in part because he's hardly in it. Henry Merrivale, super annoying. Go away, you are not boisterously funny and charming!
ReplyDeletenbm
You made me laugh, and I admire your firm views - even though they are both detectives that I quite like.
DeleteI've always found Dalgliesh & Wexford almost indistinguishable from each other - that both love/quote (admittedly, great) poetry incessantly doesn't help. But then, both well-reflect the worlds created for them by their authors: James' seething psychologies beneath unendurable lives & cynical veneers of civilization; Rendell's teeming & deviant psychoses, termiting British "high propriety." These are worlds where the light's already failed - as opposed to, say, Christie's worlds of blissfull innocence (ignorance?), where black is black, white is white, and puzzle-pieces merely fall out of place, occasionally.
ReplyDeleteWhat a great description, I'd love to see your arguments developed further...
DeleteI am chocked to find Elizabeth George is not British.
ReplyDeleteDr Priestly by John Rhode is mostly boring, but occassionally annoying when he berates police officers for making assumptions, before announcing one can safely make some other assumptions.
Much as I love Carr, I find his detectives occassionally annoying, most often when Carr thought they were funny.
I think the author actually lives on Planet George, and sets her books there.
DeleteDabbling in John Rhode doesn't really give me an opinion.
I would find the Carr detectives very annoying (and, as you say, unfunny) if I didn't have such a soft spot for him and them - I can see why others don't get on with them
When I first tried the Mrs Bradley books, I found her annoying. Reading them again, I find her more entertaining. I suspect Mitchell was doing a caricature of many of the Great Detective tropes? And I can't think of any actress who could really portray Mrs Croc in all her grotesque glory. The series with Diana Rigg was really well-done, but they made so many changes that they might as well have made her into a brand-new character!
ReplyDeleteYes, Mrs B was obviously meant to be a contrast with other detectives, and she achieves that very well. There might be a case for Margaret Rutherford. Or Frances de la Tour?
DeleteGoodness.... I stay off CiB for a morning, and look what I miss! I know, I know...I did say I'd enjoy a post of this ilk. Even so, I hope we'll have a follow-up with detectives we'd like to spend time with.
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