The Dorothy L Sayers Society – & Harriet Vane’s wedding dress

The Dorothy L Sayers Society

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Busman's Honeymoon by Dorothy L Sayers

published 1937

 

 


 

This is a screenshot of the homepage of the Dorothy LSayers Society, and explains its purpose better than I could.

The lovely people there invited me to give a talk to them about Clothes in Dorothy L Sayers – specifically, in the Lord Peter Wimsey novels, particular attention to Harriet Vane (but not only her).

It was an absolute delight to do so: I greatly enjoyed giving the talk to the warm, welcoming members who assembled via Zoom on St Valentine’s Day. We looked at many of the key clothes scenes in the books, and I had assembled a slideshow of ideas of how the characters might have dressed. Then we all engaged in a lively conversation – these people were really well-informed and had such interesting things to say.



A major topic was Harriet D Vane’s wedding dress – a subject of great fascination to fans. The wedding occurs in the 1937 book Busman’s Honeymoon: I have blogged on it before but did not try to show The Dress. Now the time has come – I will use a section of my talk:




Harriet and Lord Peter get married in St Cross church in Oxford. But what did she wear?

New sister-in-law Helen says:  A plain costume would have been more suitable than cloth of gold

Peter’s man Bunter: ‘very well she looked, all in gold, with a beautiful bouquet of chrysanthemums’



Letitia martin, the Dean of Harriet's Oxford College:

She looked like a renaissance portrait stepped out of its frame. I put it down first of all to the effect of gold lame, but, on consideration, I think it was  probably due to ‘lerve’.

Peter’s mother, the Dowager says: Fierce bustle [NB not an actual bustle on the dress],  about wedding dress,– Worth’s – [NB also - not Worth’s, - never known as that, always just Worth, which the Dowager would have known] period gown in stiff gold brocade, long sleeves, square neck, off-the-face head-dress, no jewels except my long earrings.

Now Janet Hitchman, in her 1975 Such a Strange Lady, the first biography of Sayers, reckons gold lame had just been invented, and that Sayers liked to be uptodate. And gold lame is specifically mentioned.

[Janet Hitchman, and to some extent her Sayers biography, feature in this post here, on King of the Barbareens, Hitchman's memoir of childhood]

I had a dear blogging friend (the much-missed Noah Stewart) who used this picture, as being Marilyn Monroe in gold lame, while accepting that Harriet probably didn’t look like this. 



Although we tend to think of gold lame being this kind of material, with this look, it can be used to describe any cloth which has gold thread twisted into it.

One can only conclude that DLS didn’t want us to know exactly?

So I’m just going to show some ideas:



Lame as we think of it – I like this one, designed by Paquin




This is by Fortuny. Could be seen as the specified renaissance portrait, but not fitted enough I think – it looks quite pre-raphaelite.




This is a teasing backview which certainly fits the Dowagers description, and an all-purpose beautiful gold dress.




Now to me this one is the closest: it is on display at Hampton Court – (photo copyright the Historic royal palaces) and was a 1927 wedding dress for a very well-connected young woman, Ursula Mary Lawley. It’s described as gold lame damask, and was designed by Elizabeth Handley-Seymour, who had earlier designed the wedding dress of the Duchess of York – she who became first Queen and then, how most of us know her, the Queen Mother.

But -  I do not claim to have a definitive answer, because I don’t think that’s what the author wanted: we can each choose our own. This is mine.

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We all discussed this at length after my talk, and Society members had excellent pictures to offer, suggestions, even reminiscences from previous generations of their own families… it was all such fun.

Thanks so much to the Dorothy L Sayers Society for inviting me.

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Comments

  1. Oh, I wish I could have been there, Moira! It sounds like such an interesting talk! And that whole discussion about the wedding dress is great. The society was lucky to have you and thanks for sharing about your visit!

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    1. Thank you for the kind words Margot - it was a most enjoyable event. And I am extra-grateful to the society because I reread the Wimsey books to prepare myself, which was the best piece of research imaginable, a real treat.

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  2. I so much enjoy these kinds of discussions. I think your choice is the closest, though I actually like the Paquin best. Chrissie

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    1. I know, it is such a pleasure to be with people who share your interests and knowledge. I think you are exactly right - the Paquin is the most beautiful, the cloth of gold one the most likely....

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  3. We were delighted to hear you speak, Moira and members thoroughly enjoyed the talk and discussion. Thank you! I'm still looking for a photo of my mother's gold ball dress. It will be in black and white, sadly. Geraldine

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    1. Oh do please show me when you find it.
      I keep repeating myself: such joy to be with you all!

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  4. The talk and following discussion sound fascinating! As to the wedding dress I think my idea would be some kind of cross between the Paquin and the 1927 dress - the 1927 waistline isn't attractive, Paquin waistline and skirt would be better but the 1927 bodice, sleeves and neckline look spot on. Placement of the pattern on the bodice fits particularly well with the Renaissance portrait description.

    Sovay

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    1. I do agree with you about the waistline, it is very slightly odd-looking. I love that we are all designing our own version of the dress!

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  5. What a great assortment to choose from! I am so sorry to have missed the discussion, it sounds marvelous.

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    1. Thank you - I very much enjoyed doing the research for the The Dress, as well as the rest of the talk.

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  6. I've always fixated on the dozen silk shirts that Harriet ordered. I suppose they were most likely plain white, though I like to imagine a range of subtle very pale colors: grey, blue, pink, cream, and so on, the better to pick up the shadings of one's good tweeds.

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    1. Oh I hope they were as you describe - gentle subtle shades, that's how I imagine them.
      When I was writing about mourning last year, there's a Wentworth reference to someone packing up some mourning clothes - 'make sure it's the white blouse, not the shell-pink' as presumably white was all right under your jacket but not pink. But I can picture the shirts all hung or folded together in their spectrum of pale shades..

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  7. A very interesting post. I have never seen a bride in Canada in a gold wedding dress. The 1927 dress looks so striking. I have not read the book but I hope Lord Peter's outfit was described. I think a black tuxedo with a gold bow tie and gold cummerbund would have been perfect.

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    1. The Duchess of Denver concedes that Peter wears "proper morning dress". A tuxedo/dinner jacket would be for evening wear only, back then, though I'm sure it would have looked very elegant.

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    2. Bill, I love that image of the gold touches for Lord Peter to match the bride's dress! (I can picture you in such an elegant outfit)
      But I fear Susanna is right and it would have been something much more neutral....

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  8. I found this picture online a while ago and I think the dress on the right would be the sort of thing: https://images.app.goo.gl/wZX3mmj49ito9BKw5

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    1. That's a gorgeous dress, and very much to the spec! (It went very cheaply it seems to me...)

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  9. Although I would have picked the Fortuny as being more in line with Harriet Vane's character, by the 1930's Fortuny was out of the running.

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    1. I associate Fortuny with those very fine pleats, nothing like this.
      There is something very striking about that dress. Though - I re-read all the Wimsey books for the talk, including my least favourite, Five Red Herrings. In that there is Gilda Farren, all very William Morris and Arts and Crafts, doing her spinning and wearing mediaeval gowns. Although a gown is specified as cream there, I did keep associating her with this dress.

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  10. I've never been able to visualise Harriet's dress, so these images are helpful. As we're told somewhere that she has an olive complexion, gold would suit her.
    I think Hilda in Eustace and Hilda has a Fortuny gown; I've never seen one in real life, but would like to!

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    1. Lord Peter says her skin is honey-coloured, which is nice.
      Proust features Fortuny gowns - I think Albertine and Mme de Guermantes wear them. I can see I am going to have to collect mentions of them!

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  11. I’ve always Harriet’s wedding dress a bit like Raphael’s Lady With A Unicorn - square neck, tight fitting bodice, big sleeves, gathered skirt, all in a lovely golden material (one of those heavy brocade/damasks that looks like embroidery)..

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    1. Christine Harding19 February 2025 at 20:21

      That was me.

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    2. I wan't familiar with it - what a gorgeous picture, gorgeous lady, gorgeous dress.
      And such a tiny unicorn!
      Thanks

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