Elizabeth Howard Boleyn?
The Concubine by Norah Lofts published 1963
The Lady in the Tower by Jean Plaidy published 1989
The Lives of the Queens of England by Agnes Strickland published during the 1840s
I’ve just been reading a novel about the life of Anne
Boleyn: The Concubine by Norah Lofts. I read it after blogfriend
Constance/CLM mentioned it in the comments to this post:
Childhood
reading and intellectual freedom
…and I intend to do another post on the book itself this
week.
But first – something odd arose in the book. It is a work
of fiction, and obviously there are imagined conversations, thoughts, and
characters (more to come on all this). But I was very struck by the fact that
in the book, Anne Boleyn’s mother Elizabeth has died when Anne was a young
girl. Her father Thomas has remarried: his new wife is a woman of lower social
class. She is warm and helpful to her stepchildren, and in return they love
her.
Now this was a surprise, because it seems well-attested
that Thomas and Elizabeth Boleyn stayed married until they died, a year apart,
a few years after Anne was executed. (It’s always satisfying that Anne's sister Mary Boleyn
thus inherited everything, though she did not survive much longer, dying in
1543.)
But then it got proper interesting: I decided to flick
through Jean Plaidy’s Boleyn book, Lady in the Tower, and stap me if she
doesn’t have the same story: dead mother, beloved downmarket stepmother.
(Plaidy the other great queen of Royal historical fiction). I thought perhaps I
had dug up some Lady Novelist Plagiarism Scandal, but no, though the explanation
was still a good story.
There was a monumental Victorian work called The Lives of the Queens of England, written by Agnes Strickland (helped by her sister Elizabeth) and published in many volumes through the 1840s. Norah Lofts makes it plain that she is following Strickland – she quotes from The Lives frequently in the chapter headings – and it doesn’t take long to see that Jean Plaidy is doing the same, and mentions Strickland in her bibliography. Large sections of both the modern books are flat-out dramatizations of Strickland’s version of the story. They are not limited to Strickland of course, as they are writing much longer versions. Strickland has all the Queens to do in her monster book.
Anyway, Strickland was certain that Elizabeth Boleyn died
when her children were young: apparently this was either a mistake in a
historical document, or her own misinterpretation of the doc (I couldn’t find a
way to see the original source) – probably a reference to a sister who
did die at the relevant time. Then,
seeing references to a mother later in Anne’s life, Strickland assumed there
must have been a stepmother.
Then there is a really weird leap. Strickland’s evidence
for her being of low social class is as follows:
it is certain that Anne’s
stepmother was a Norfolk woman of humble origin, and it has been observed that
queen Elizabeth was connected, in consequence of this second marriage of her
grandfather, with numerous families in Norfolk, of a mean station in that county.
This is a reference to Elizabeth being annoyed by
approaches from Norfolk types claiming a connection and asking for money.
But, if you look at the original of this claim – in an
1830s book of anecdotes by William J Thoms – what it actually says is this:
Queen Elizabeth had numerous
maternal relations, and many of them among the inferior gentry (particularly in
Norfolk), an inconvenience which arose from her father having selected for his
second consort a subject of no very elevated extraction, whilst the blood of
the Boleynes was widely diffused by the intermarriages of numerous junior
branches.
It surely means that it was Elizabeth’s father, ie
Henry VIII, who married beneath himself,
not her grandfather, and Strickland misunderstood. Particularly ironic when it
is generally thought that Anne’s one and only mother was of higher class than
her father, being one of the Howards, the family of the Dukes of Norfolk.
One of the long-standing but unsourced rumours about
Elizabeth Boleyn was that she too had been a mistress of Henry VIII, like her
daughter Mary (Anne of course not his mistress, only wife) and it was even
mentioned as a possibility that he was Anne’s father. Strickland is horrified
by that idea:
It was not till long after the
grave had closed over lady Boleyn, that the malignant spirit of party attempted
to fling an absurd scandal on her memory, by pretending that Anne Boleyn was
the offspring of her amours with the king during the absence of Sir Thomas
Boleyn on an embassy to France. But, independently of the fact that Sir Thomas
Boleyn was not ambassador to France till many years after the birth of all his
children, Heniy VIII. was a boy under the care of his tutors at the period of
Anne’s birth.
and now she goes
completely off-piste:
If there was any truth in the
scandalous tales touching the intimacy between Henry VIII. and the lady Boleyn,
the second wife of Sir Thomas, not the mother of Anne, must have been the person
indicated.
It seems hard to blame an imaginary woman.
Strickland’s book is serious, detailed and obviously
carefully researched, but this was definitely an error. There was no
stepmother - but if there had been then
the claim that Queen Elizabeth was connected to all kinds of humble Norfolk
families is pushing it a bit, when it was her stepmother, and not a blood
relation. Fanciful.
However I feel Strickland is unlucky in that more than 150
years later busybodies like me can pedantically examine her words and check
back on her original resources using only a laptop. (I am not, of course, the
only person to have noticed this)
Strickland is so sure of her ground that she offers this
amendment to a historical record, a letter to Cardinal Wolsey about Anne:
“my lady her mother
[stepmother] desired me to send unto your grace, to desire your grace to bestow
a morsel of tunny upon her.”
The error became widely repeated, but modern historians say
there is no justification for this whatsoever, and there are clear records of
Elizabeth Boleyn’s actual death in 1538.
It IS a bit of a shocker because I always say that young women (particularly) learn their basic history from these books: they enable them to get an order o events and a rough idea of dates into their head. [In Jean Plaidy’s much earlier book featuring Anne, Murder Most Royal in 1949, there is no mention of a stepmother, but there is almost no mention of any mother for Anne, and it’s the same in her The King’s Secret Matter, which focuses on Katherine of Aragon but has Anne as a character.]
The awful David Starkey was very rude about female
historians: always a pity to give him more ammo. But Agnes Strickland seems to
have been in general a very careful writer. She was opinionated, but then they
all are, and particularly David Starkey.
I hugely enjoyed tracking this down. And I guess it shows
that we will never get tired of reading about Anne Boleyn.
More on Norah Lofts coming soon…
Very hard to find a usable and reliable picture of
Elizabeth Boleyn. The top one is often said to be Catherine Howard (Henry VIII’s fifth
wife) but sometimes attributed as Elizabeth Howrd. She does look too old to be
Catherine, who was very young when she was executed.
Illos of Anne from the Strickland book.



I read quite a lot of Jean Plaidy in my early teens, possibly including The Lady in the Tower, but don’t recall the imaginary stepmother. The Tudor upper crust really needed a wider range of given names - this kind of confusion can so easily arise when practically all the leading players in a story are called Anne, Elizabeth or Mary (or if male, Henry, Edward or Thomas).
ReplyDeleteI’m not at all an expert on the Tudors, and something’s always puzzled me about Catherine Howard – if accounts of her life are to be believed, she thought it would be no big deal for her to have an affair whilst married to the king, but why would she think that? She was Anne Boleyn’s cousin and must surely have known what had happened to her following allegations of adultery whilst married to Henry. Admittedly there was a significant difference in their circumstances, in that Henry now had the son he needed so wasn’t actively looking for reasons to get rid of her, but even so …
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I wouldn't have noticed if It'd read it years ago. It is odd that the earlier Plaidy, Murder Most Royal, doesn't feature this aspect. Yes the names would drive you mad, when I was reading the Strickland It was very hard to search the text, and even then you'd be rootling round to find out which Mary this was.
DeleteRobert Irwin has a wonderful rant in his book Wonders Will Never Cease: 'We lords and ladies are so brainless that we cannot think of any names for our children except Elizabeth, Anne, Katherine, Henry, Richard, Edward and John. And then again Henry, Elizabeth, John, Katherine, Richard, Edward and Anne. So we are in a constant muddle as to who is who. ' Exactly.
You make a good point about Catherine H. She was so young and hadn't a clue. Maybe easily persuadable. In her testimony she says she thought the King knew everything because he was the Kind ie an implication that she had no secrets from him because he would know....
Very young and seems very naive - and brought up by all accounts in a household where there was a lot more casual sex going on than one would expect. But even so, how sad that no-one seems to have taken her aside when the royal marriage was on the cards and impressed on her that she was getting into a serious situation and really needed to make some changes in her behaviour. As far as one can tell, no-one really cared enough about her as a person, rather than a human chess piece to be deployed to the best advantage of other members of the family.
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Sovay, I agree, a human chess piece is just what she seemed to be. At this distance it's hard to tell who was influencing her or lying to her or blackmailing her in the snake pit that was the Tudor court. Julia Fox wrote a very interesting biography of Lady Rochford, who was executed with Catherine H, which gives another view of the times.
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Lady Rochford certainly needs some explaining – as George Boleyn’s widow she could hardly have been better placed to warn Catherine of the danger she was getting into, but instead she seems to have encouraged her down the road to disaster.
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Yes, some bits of her story are incomprehensible, and in other ways you see a classic case of a girl with material benefits but no-one looking out for her
DeleteI can certainly see the attraction for historical novelists of Catherine Howard. She is, comparatively, a tabula rasa, with only a few bare-bones facts about her early life on which bricks have to be made with straw.
DeleteHow much does one make of the fact that she is a member of an important family, or focus on the fact that she is a poor relative within that family (one of 11 children of an unsuccessful third son with a gambling problem)?
Is her appointment as a lady-in-waiting to Anne of Cleves a long-term plan by the Duke of Norfolk, or was it originally simply a way of finding a place at court for a poor relative and only later did she become part of the plan to get rid of Cromwell (apparently the marriage took place on the day of his execution)?
Did the important members of the Howard family know anything in detail about her previous relationships before she was appointed as a lady in waiting, or was she appointed because the dowager duchess suspected something was up - even if she did, would she have told the Duke?
I agree that Lady Rochester's role is hard to understand- my own attempt at rationalising it is that the lesson she chose to learn from Anne Boleyn's fate is that the important thing was to bear the King a son and that if she had to pass off another's child, so be it. Also, if her role at court depended on the favour of the queen consort, perhaps it was best to indulge her and try to be as discreet as possible..
As an author, where do you decide Henry is on the way to the grotesque of the last four years of the reign?
How far was her fall payback for the death of Cromwell and an attempt to weaken the power of the Howard family?
It is perhaps both a weakness and a strength of historical fiction that it tells you as much about the times it was written as the times it portrays (even if well-researched).
Such great questions, and I totally agree with historical fiction being of its time.
DeleteI wonder if CHoward was quite unimportant, though obv lovely, so nobody gave much thought, she just got pushed into place. When it became obvious she could be going to be an important player (because after all, I don't think anyone could have predicted what would happen with Anne of Cleves, so that would be a later realization) it was too late to check on her background . (It all has an air of recruiting spies in the 30s 40s & 50s: Went to the right school, and we were all a bit leftie back in the day.)
Ford Madox Ford wrote a trilogy about CHoward - good going when there is so little in the way of facts. I really liked it, full of interesting ideas and different perceptions, just as you'd expect, and he made a real person out of her. And not the one you find elsewhere. I liked it as a story and would not think it was necessarily what happened. (There are blogposts on it, back in 2015).
As with Anne B, if CH had managed to produce a son, things might have been very different, even if the paternity was doubtful.
Very good questions about HVIII and his downward spiral.
I agree about her initial obvious unimportance and the unlikelihood of her becoming a player in the life of CH, especially the impact of the Anne of Cleves surprise. I also suspect that the Howards may have been too focused on the overthrow of Cromwell to think through what would happen next.
DeleteI have now read the FMF posts from 2015. The books sound interesting, although I suspect I would find the style hard to manage. Still, I suppose that is the choice every author has to make in writing about the past. I think the most successful ones for me make the language different enough to remind the reader that things are in the past without teetering into parody or becoming incomprehensible. The alternative is to go the full Knight's Tale and use modern wording and references which make the past relatable - certainly a medieval joust occurring to the music of Queen made a memorable introduction while conveying that jousts then should be seen in the same light as the Olympics or the World Cup are now.
One of the interesting parts for me of the Wolf Hall trilogy was the importance given to the jousting accident in January 1936 and its impact on Henry's health and temper. It's easy to forget that the early Henry was seen as an attractive and active man - taking after his grandfather Edward IV, more than his father Henry VII. Still, at least Henry VII survived long enough for Henry VIII to inherit, while Edward IV ruined his health by over-indulgence and died at the age of 40. If he had lasted even until he was 43, British history would probably be unrecognisable.
One of C J Sansom's Shardlake books covers the fall of Catherine Howard, and I recall it as being well worth reading.
The language and style were not immediately accessible in the FMF. Actually I reread the posts and I was more critical than I remembered - my view mellowed over time, though I think that is because they stuck in my mind and anything that does that recommends itself to me (I guess that's not entirelly true, there's a few throw-across-the-room books that stick in the mind).
DeleteI assumed I would hate Knight's Tale, but actually I LOVED it, I thought it was brilliantly clever and such good fun. It is one of my comfort films.
I read an interview with Mark Rylance about filming the jousting accident aftermath for the BBC plays, and he said the story required Cromwell to have to push through a crowd, barge people out of the way to get to the possibly-dying King: and that's what happend in the recording, he really had to get to push to get through, no-one was letting him in. I think it's one of Mantel's best-written scenes: Cromwell's thoughts throughout are perfect, down to his noticing the 'Papist tendency' of Norris's prayers...
I really liked the Sansom books. My notes on this one said: 'Long but enjoyable - katherine Howard, York etc. Gruesome.' Most helpful and informative. They did get longer and longer...
But still he is a sad loss.
Yes, a loss indeed. In all that long book, Sovereign I believe, what stays with me is the scene of the King mocking and humiliating Shardlake. It's similar to the scene in Wolf Hall where Henry berates Cromwell - overwhelming power revealing itself in all its ugliness.
DeleteAdrianDominic, why three more years for Edward IV? So that Edward V would have been of an age to govern?
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Nerys - Five years would have been best, but that would have been the idea. Henry VII survived until Henry VIII was 18, and the fact that his death was expected and planned for meant that, despite the fears of only a few years before, there was no problem with the succession or any discussion of a regency.
DeleteWasn't Edward V one of the Princes in the Tower? That situation probably wouldn't have come about if his father had lived longer. (Not that kings had guaranteed reigns, as the Princes' uncle Richard found out.)
DeleteNerys: when I thought about Sovereign, it was that scene that leapt into my mind too. Awful.
DeleteSo many possibilities of small changes making big differences. It's surprising there isn't more alt-history fiction out there. You can't help wondering...
Do you think it's possible that Richard would have risked going for Titulus Regius anyway? He may have felt he had enough support and could easily out-general his nephew. Or was it the point that Edward V was a child and could be kept out of sight? Sorry to be OT, it's interesting to me! If ever anyone was a focus for different historical viewpoints, it would be Richard III.
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I think it's fascinating: what was going through his mind? But we can never know. My thinking has always been that he genuinely believed his nephew was not the heir. And if you believe in Divine Right, importance of the succession etc, then he did the correct thing, however unattractive we may find that. It seems hard to believe that he had them killed - there'd be no need?
DeleteI think Thomas Penn's book "The Brothers York" is well worth a read for this period 9as is his book about Henry VII, The Winter King." My own analysis is that the whole thing was done on the fly, and that the only reason he had support in the first place was that the Woodvilles (the queen's family) were fairly unpopular (whole load of parvenus who have risen too quickly and too far when Edward IV had married a widow of insufficient standing and too many relatives).
DeleteCertainly Hastings supported getting rid of the Woodvilles, but still wanted Edward V to be king (just with the proper advisers during his minority), which was why he had to be got rid of.
Buckingham quickly rebelled against Richard for reasons which remain unclear.
He could have persuaded himself that it was either him or them if they, in effect, ruled on young Edward's behalf for five years, and he regarded their refusal to make him protector as a sign that they were out to get him. It is worth remembering that Richard had a young son then, both for the self-preservation which got out of control and the deliberate policy all the time.
There is an argument that he only decided that he had to go all in when Edward V unfortunately made it all too clear at Northampton that he did not believe that his mother's relatives were his enemies or traitors when his half-brother Dorset and an uncle were arrested. Depending on how much history Richard knew, this suggested that when Edward reached his majority. Richard would share the fate of Roger Mortimer when Edward III decided to take power for himself.
A 16- or 18-year-old Edward V would either have learnt to dissemble better and said he was prepared to look at the evidence, or would have ordered his relatives' release. He may even have told his uncle and Buckingham to either kill him now or back down. One reason many monarchs survived rebellions was that the rebels could only square their own consciences by saying that they were saving the monarch from corrupt advisers rather than blaming the king himself. Persuading yourself that a 12/13 year old was not capable of ruling is one thing; a 16- 18-year-old is quite another.
I should admit that I am predisposed to believe in the cock-up rather than the conspiracy theory of history - actually, the older I get, I am prepared to believe in the cocked-up conspiracy theory.
Governments, and people in general, do often seem more incompetent than malicious. Thank you for the book recommendation, I will look for it. I do lean toward thinking that the marriage precontract was a fabrication, possibly seized on by Richard for what he considered worthy reasons, such as ridding the country of Woodville influence. However, after reading Robert Irwin's Wonders Will Never Cease I can't forgive Richard for executing Anthony Woodville. I know that the fictional Anthony is not the real Anthony, but the power of fiction is great sometimes!
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DeleteWhile I think it was clear from the context, the Penn books are accessible if moderately detailed and quite long history books. They are definitely worth a read, and I drew my own conclusions from some of the evidence he produced - mind you, sometimes the best arguments do leave it to the reader/listener to make the next step.
DeleteThe marriage pre-contract and the Blaybourne arguments were probably only brought into play pnce Richard had decided that he had to go for broke
Give Edward V another five years or even longer before he became king and things are very different. Even if Edward IV stays king - and even more so with Edward V - Richard had opportunities in Ireland without rebelling in England. As king of England, Richard had problems in Ireland which he may not have faced if he could concentrate on Irish affairs as a loyal subordinate, and his brother or nephew might have liked the idea too.
DeleteI read Thomas Penn's book on Henry VII - someone who should be a fascinting character but somehow isn't. I haven't read The Brothers York, but definitely will now!
DeleteI love the Robert Irwin book - it is probably one of my top 10 novels ever - but it's a bit like Hilary Mantel and Thomas Cromwell. A brilliant novelist can convince you that their picture of a historical figure is the correct one 😀
That is funny and brilliant summing up of Henry VII.
DeleteRobert Irwin’s portrayal of Richard III is grim and probably unfair but perfect for the story.
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H VII seems like a different person in the two halves of his life (which, again, should make it interesting...)
DeleteYou're making me want to read Robert Irwin again....
Henry VII comes over as a competent king, and viewed at a distance, his reign and he can be seen as boring. The truth was that it was full of crises, which he and his advisors dealt with mostly effectively, so that in retrospect they seem like molehills rather than mountains. 1487 (Stoke ), 1495 (William Stanley), 1497 (Cornish revolt, Warbeck and Scottish) then surviving long enough after the death of Arthur in 1503 and his wife in childbirth in 1503 for his younger son to inherit, could easily have gone very differently.
DeleteHe left to his son an unchallenged succession, a cadre of excellent advisors who owed their position to the king and a country which was prosperous. He even set things up so that Henry VIII could instantly become popular by executing two of his father's advisors and repudiating some of his policies while reaping the benefits of a full treasury.
.On a personal level, he seems to have had as good a marriage as could be expected under the circumstances and even to have been faithful to Elizabeth (or incredibly discreet about any dalliances). I also find it endearing that he employed Lambert Simnel rather than anything worse and treated Perkin Warbeck's wife, Katherine Gordon, more like a fellow victim of a conman than an enemy.
A book which is worth reading is Nathen Amin's Henry VII and the Tudor Pretenders which illustrates how much of Henry's time and energies up to 1499 were focused on threats to the kingdom.
Thanks for another book reco!
DeleteHis marriage always seems like the best thing about him. I suppose his dilly-dallying on what to do with Katherine after Arthur died was just political, and cannot be judged by modern standards.
You make a good case for him: so why does no-one warm to him, why does everyone want to know about the hideous HVIII not HVII 😀? There is a splendid musical called Six about the Tudors, and one of the points they make is that H and his wives are all lastingly famous, but who can name HVII's wife? Well obviously I can, but you can see the point.
A bit like crimes and murders - some of them catch the public imagination and some don't
I think his problem is that the downsides of his justified caution about how far he could trust anyone come over as paranoia in the light of what actually happened.
DeleteAlso, the avarice (perhaps understandable in someone who spent so much of his life in exile) is the main takeaway for years that people had of him - IIRC in "1066 And All That", Sellers and Yeatman have a fun cartoon illustrating Morton's fork in operation
He was also a king who did his best to avoid wars - the one time he opposed France over the annexation of Brittany, he accepted money to go away - he may even have made a profit on the war. In the Age of Empire, he no doubt came over as an unheroic figure.
On the "what do we do with a problem named Catherine" I don't think her parents come out of it any better than Henry - maybe mutual bluffing was needed to end up with the compromise of a sort of engagement to Henry VIII, but no immediate marriage.
Perhaps now is the time for a reevaluation of Henry VII? His virtues may suit the age, and his vices seem more justified?
You should definitely write the book rehabilitating him!
DeleteRe: the Aragon issue - only HVIII comes out well, weirdly enough. (Though made up for that later) I don't think she was a wonderful person, but she was dealt a rough hand in the long run.
I think we all rely on 1066 and All That quite a lot! My favourite line is the exam question to the effect of 'Why do you picture John of Gaunt as a rather emaciated grandee?' So true
Fascinating, the way errors get perpetuated in this way. However I have a blind spot about historical fiction and very rarely read any - though did enjoy some of the Cadfael stories recently. But I haven't even read Hilary Mantel except for the non-historical ones! Can we still be friends, Moira? Chrissie
ReplyDeleteWell I was priding myself on the fact that I had written a whole long post on the Tudors without mentioning Hilary Mantel!
DeleteDid you not even read Jean Plaidys when you were at school? - they were much passed around among us, along with some other authors
No, and I don't remember my friends reading Plaidy either. I do vaguely remember Forever Amber, but I think it was the sex that was the attraction there!
DeleteAbsolutely!
DeleteI wonder whether Elizabeth I did give her relations money? Probably not, given her general stinginess.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely not! This is her reported reply to someone claiming a connection: “ Friend,” says she, “grant it be so, do’st thinke I am bound to keepe all my kindred? Why that’s the way to make me a beggar.”
DeleteHa!
DeleteThis is so very interesting, Moira! The way stories like this get passed along and believed. By the time enough history goes by, it's sometimes hard to teas out what really happened and what didn't, even in societies where much was written down. What an interesting bit of investigation you did!
ReplyDeleteThanks Margot! It was really interesting to try to sort out fact from fiction, and it is so amazing to be able to find historic documents online
DeleteAlmost like The Daughter of Time--Alan Grant would be proud of you, Moira! I wonder if he would have come to the same conclusions if he'd had access to all the documents that we have?
DeleteWell that is a compliment! And an interesting question - he wouldnt have needed his American assitant, he could have sat in his hospital bed with a laptop doing all his research.
DeleteWas Catherine Howard lined up to be Henry's mistress at first, perhaps? An unimportant girl from an unimportant branch of the family. Anne of Cleves would produce a son, with luck ("The things I do for England.") and Catherine would provide entertainment, When Anne turned out to be stronger-minded and Henry veered to Catherine, the Howards had opportunities and problems in equal amounts.
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Yes that sounds like a very good summing-up.
DeleteIt was you who told me to read the Ford Madox Ford trilogy mentioned in my answer to AdrianDominic above - I'd done a list of books aobut the Tudors and you asked why I hadn't included those ones. The answer being, obv, that I'd never heard of them, let along read them. And then I did... Another score to you.
As I read the very interesting post I thought most about the connection between Meskanaw, Saskatchewan where I grew up and Agnes Strickland. She had five sisters. Four of them were also authors. Her younger sister Catherine Parr married Thomas Traill and moved to Upper Canada (Ontario now) in the 1830's and wrote 24 books of which the most famous is The Backwoods of Canada. Two of her sons joined the Hudson Bay Company. The younger William, better known as Willie, was the founding settler of Meskanaw and named the community after his family as Meskanaw is Cree for trail. My father was a neighbour and good friend of the Aunts (three of Willie's daughters) who farmed for over 30 years at Meskanaw.
ReplyDeleteOh Bill that's fascinating - and probably only you could have told us. When I read some of Agnes's work (not all - that is one long history) I became intrigued by her, and found out a bit more, but didn't get to 'your' sister. One of them helped her with the history, but never wanted any publicity. I suspected that she, Elizabeth, did a lot of hard work and checking, while Agnes wrote her most entertaining stories.
DeleteThanks so much for sharing that with us.
Oh goodness, Bill, that's so interesting to hear. Now that you mention it, I think I did vaguely know that Strickland was the family name of the sisters in the wilderness, Susanna Moodie and Catherine Parr Trail, and that Agnes was the sister back in the old country.
DeleteI love me a good chain of events and people.
It's a great connection, really enjoyable to hear about that
DeleteWasn't Catherine Parr also the name of HVIII's last wife/widow? Spelling may have varied?
DeleteYes, I am assuming it showed a family interest in the Tudors.
DeleteI probably won't have time to read it, but The Dragon Waiting by John M Ford is another highly praised novel bout the Wars of the Roses, this time incorporating Byzantine dragoms and Dforza vam[ires!
ReplyDeleteNow that's a book description that could go either way in my decision-making! I will look it up....
Delete... and innovative spelling!
DeleteI probably won't have time to read it, but The Dragon Waiting by John M Ford is another highly praised novel about the Wars of the Roses; this time incorporating Byzantine dragons and Sforza vampires!
- Roger
I guessed it was you, and the correct spellings.
DeleteI looked it up and it seemed quite the undertaking, but intriguing