Children, Christmas & Jane Austen's advice on parenting

 

In our Christmas scenes on Clothes in Books, this is something unusual - Jane Austen doesn't do the festive season much. But there is this one excellent section....


Persuasion by Jane Austen

published 1817

 

 


[excerpt] Immediately surrounding Mrs Musgrove were the little Harvilles. On one side was a table occupied by some chattering girls, cutting up silk and gold paper; and on the other were tressels and trays, bending under the weight of brawn and cold pies, where riotous boys were holding high revel; the whole completed by a roaring Christmas fire, which seemed determined to be heard, in spite of all the noise of the others. Charles and Mary also came in, of course, during their visit, and Mr Musgrove made a point of paying his respects to Lady Russell, and sat down close to her for ten minutes, talking with a very raised voice, but from the clamour of the children on his knees, generally in vain. It was a fine family-piece.

Anne, judging from her own temperament, would have deemed such a domestic hurricane a bad restorative of the nerves, which Louisa's illness must have so greatly shaken. But Mrs Musgrove, who got Anne near her on purpose to thank her most cordially, again and again, for all her attentions to them, concluded a short recapitulation of what she had suffered herself by observing, with a happy glance round the room, that after all she had gone through, nothing was so likely to do her good as a little quiet cheerfulness at home…

"I hope I shall remember, in future," said Lady Russell, as soon as they were reseated in the carriage, "not to call at Uppercross in the Christmas holidays."

 

comments: I re-read all the Jane Austen novels for a piece I did for the i  newspaper earlier this year, on TV and film adaptations.

Culture at the i Newspaper: Jane Austen Adaptations

JA is not an author particularly associated with Christmas – you have your Dickens for that – but I very much enjoyed this short sharp picture of the family Christmas. Anne and Lady Russell are a timeless vision of two nice, loving, childfree women visiting a house swarming with the next generation, faintly horrified by the noise and fuss and trying their best to be sympathetic and not judgemental.

Anne is described as being very good with children, a favourite aunt, but shows no sign of it here. Perhaps she will be going to have children with her new husband after the end of the book.

Jane Austen herself never married and had no children: one doesn’t like to stereotype, but in this book she and Anne have very clear ideas and certainty regarding how children should be brought up, which is – quel surprise - not how their parents are doing it.

The parents and grandparents of the children also have some disagreements: a grandmother ‘humours and indulges them to such a degree, and gives them so much trash and sweet things, that they are sure to come back sick and cross for the rest of the day.’ 

That could come off Mumsnet verbatim today.

On another track: one of Anne’s friends, Mrs Smith, who is in straitened circumstances, has learned to knit, and also makes ‘these little thread-cases, pin-cushions and card-racks, which you always find me so busy about’, which are then sold on by her nurse. This sounds perilously close to ‘trade’, which is not something Jane Austen ladies have any connection with. Mrs Smith says, not very convincingly, that she sells things in order to have money to give to the poor: like modern-day people who suddenly add ‘it’s for charity’ to their requests for money. I am not convinced, particularly in this case: she and her nurse are dealing with a new person “a mere pretty, silly, expensive, fashionable woman, I believe; and of course will have nothing to report but of lace and finery. I mean to make my profit of Mrs Wallis, however. She has plenty of money, and I intend she shall buy all the high-priced things I have in hand now."

I was quite surprised by all this. It was reminiscent of those down-at-heel gentlewomen in Patricia Wentworth novels who deal in notions and lace, and have rather tragic-sounding businesses. (‘We are in quite reduced circumstances… so I joined a friend in a fancywork shop at Streatham’.)

Persuasion is a great novel, very compelling, although Anne is always prone to being very forgiving of herself while extremely judgemental about everyone else. But it would take a heart of stone not to be delighted with her happy ending…

Pictures of children playing from the NYPL – from 1818, so a little later than the action of the book which, datewise, and unusually for Jane Austen, is spelled out very specifically. This scene happens at Christmas 1814. And is (matching one’s own vague thoughts) quite unusual, in that academics say we have very little info about how Christmas was celebrated then, with very few fictional descriptions.

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In my researches earlier in the year I spent a lot of time looking at adaptations, so I will round off with that.  I watched four different Persuasions: 1970, 1995, 2007, 2022.

And there is one version that kept being mentioned by what I would call true Jane Austen fans, people who are deep in the books and have high standards. Those people always said: the Amanda Root and Ciaran Hinds TV film from 1995 is the best JA film of all. It is very natural-looking – using real light and with no make-up apparently, and it is an excellent film. I can understand why people choose this composed calm version, and I respect that it is so beloved of the real fans.



I adored the modern – much-criticized – Netflix version,released in 2022: the one that had one reviewer saying ‘Everyone involved should be in prison’. I thought it was funny and clever and innovative.

The 1970 Persuasion looks like the cast of Howard’s Way in Regency clothes, shot in a Berni Inn. The 2007 version features Sally Hawkins, and is perfectly competent and watchable.

Pick your own… my theory is that we all get the Jane Austen version to suit our times. More info in my newspaper article.

Comments

  1. That must be Anne’s highly dislikeable sister Mary complaining that her mother-in-law spoils her children and gives them too many sweets; but she’s not exactly a shining light of responsible parenting herself. Re: the Christmas visit - I’d be glad that the children are having such a good time and providing Mrs Musgrove with a welcome distraction from her troubles, but quite happy to roll on in the carriage with Anne and Lady Russell and leave them to it.

    It seems likely that Mrs Smith is earning no more than a little pocket money with her pincushions &c, given how time-consuming and fiddly they must be to make – she’s probably safe from accusations that she’s involved in “trade” as long as there’s no question of her actually making a living this way (and she can gloss over what she’s actually spending the money on). Whereas the reduced gentlewomen in Patricia Wentworth and Agatha Christie, with their genteel fancywork- and tea-shops, have definitely taken that step down …

    1995 Persuasion is my favourite, though I haven’t seen either the 1970 or 2022 versions. I must have seen the Sally Hawkins one but evidently it made no impression at all.

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    1. Having enjoyed Christmases in every different possible combination and numbers, as guest and host, as parent of all ages, and daughter - everyobdy needs to cultivate tolerance, and don't bitch!
      Another fan for 1995...

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    2. Anne could be good with children individually but less able to cope with them in large noisy crowds, though I think if she'd been staying at Uppercross she'd have joined in (not so sure about Lady Russell, who would probably spend the evening sitting in a corner looking disapproving).

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    3. There are childless family friends who pride themselve on being 'good with the children' but are all too ready to do the easy bits and hand them back. As you say, suspect Lady Russell wouldn't even do that.

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  2. Dickens usually gets all the credit for the festive Christmas spirit. Washington Irving beat him to it, with the Sketch Book published around 1820 containing Old Christmas which is now considered a book on its own. Gutenberg.org has an e-book with the illustrations of Randolph Caldicott, showing Regency era fashions. Irving's intro not surprisingly laments that contemporary Christmas celebrations just couldn't match those in the past! He also doesn't seem to have a social agenda as Dickens did.

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    1. Old Christmas is a very rose-coloured-glasses account, and the festivities seem to be modeled on times earlier than the character's own era. So maybe not truly an Austen-era Christmas.

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    2. The arguments about reporting Christmas continue! the Dickens-invented-Christmas idea was in the news in recent weeks, and was comprehensively trashed. For a start, it has always been a Christian festival, a matter which Dickens had no real interest in... and Christians understandably take it amiss when that claim is made.

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    3. There was a film a few years ago actually called The Man Who Invented Christmas, about Dickens of course. I remember hoping that no one took that title seriously! At least he did incorporate a kinda-sorta love-thy-neighbor message into Christmas Carol, maybe not a message limited to the Christian religion but definitely a basic Christian belief.

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    4. Yes, he obviously had high moral values (about some things, not his wife) but he did not want it wrapped in too much God stuff. You couldn't fault his line on the importance of everyone, no matter how poor or apparently 'unworthy'. I think all that is admirable - I just object to the idea that he had such a hand in creating what is still a church festival!

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    5. Not all Christians agree that Christmas is a Christian/Church festival - the post-Civil War parliament legislated not just against the more secular elements of Christmas celebrations but also against special Christmas church services. As far as they were concerned nothing whatever should distinguish the Christmas season – shops should be open and all business carry on as normal. Jehovah’s Witnesses still take this stance, as I know from my sister-in-law who lives next door to a JW couple and has learned not to ask them in for coffee when the Christmas decorations are up, for fear of an extended harangue on the subject.

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    6. I guess Cromwell and company thought that celebrating Christmas was "popish"--a Christ-Mass under the evil influence of Rome. There are still Protestants who feel that way but they're a minority. Even the Amish with their "plain" ways have religious holidays.

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    7. Are Jehovah's Witnesses considered Protestants? I always think of them as a law unto themselves.

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    8. The JWs certainly consider themselves Christians - whether they define themselves as Protestant I'm not sure. The Puritan Parliament apparently took the view that there's no mention in the Bible of celebrations on earth at the birth of Christ, and as the Bible is the foundation of all aspects of the Christian life such celebrations should have no place. Though the pre-Reformation and pagan traditions of downing tools for days of celebration and feasting can't have helped!

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    9. JW's don't celebrate their own birthdays either so at least they are trying to be consistent.
      I think they consider themselves Christian but not Protestant.

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  3. I am on team Persuasion too. Ciaran Hinds was perfect as Captain Wentworth. Chrissie

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    1. You were one of the serious fans I was quoting!

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    2. You may have been thinking of me too, I think 1995 was the best. Agreed about Ciaran Hinds!

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    3. I took into account all the comments from the fans! And, as I say, was impressed by the whole-hearted support for that particular one.

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    4. Add a member to Team Hinds/Root although he may have been just a tad old for the role.

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    5. Worn out by all that sailing and fighting....

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    6. The 1995 production had excellent casting, even for minor characters. I suspect that is one of the main reasons why so many of us remember it fondly.
      John Woodvine and Fiona Shaw, playing the admiral and his wife in a few scenes, convincingly portrayed a happy couple (particularly memorable for me as two years before they had played a far-from-happily married couple in Machinal at the National). Sophie Thompson and Simon Russell Beale as Anne's sister and her husband, Richard McCabe as the man who had lost his fiancΓ©e, and Susan Fleetwood as the woman who had persuaded Anne not to marry two men, as well as Samuel West playing the cousin whom everyone expects her to marry.

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    7. That IS a good cast!
      My husband is not particularly a Jane Austen fan. When I was watcing all the adaptations (24 of them) if he came into the room I would say 'right - ten seconds - which book is this?' Persuasion was the easiest to spot, though sometimes because he could say 'that's Louisa jumping off the Cobb, silly girl'.

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    8. Re Ciaran Hinds' age - I’m sure Sir Walter Elliot comments that life in the navy makes a man look old before his time!

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    9. You don't often look to him for good sense, but in this case surely right!

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    10. And the male complexion is his particular area of expertise ...

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    11. He is a great character with his special interests....

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  4. Mrs Smith would probably be selling (in a very genteel way) on Etsy today.

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    1. That, I fear, WOULD be "trade" - a shop, even a virtual one, would be crossing the line ...

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    2. I'm not sure where the line sits! People were always buying and selling things via the small ads in newspapers - see the opening scenes of A Murder is Announced - and selling that way would make it clear you were short of money, but not completely declassee. I think Etsy could be a parallel enterprise

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    3. It’s a fine line, but Mrs Smith is actually manufacturing things to sell, on however small a scale, whereas the small-ad people can claim they're just disposing of a few things they find they don't need any longer. It’s perhaps in the eye of the beholder – Anne, being well disposed to Mrs Smith, wouldn’t think of her as being in trade, but her father and sister Elizabeth might take a different view.

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    4. They would! Presumably Captain Wentworth should look rather weather-beaten, which Ciaran Hinds doesn't, despite being a little mature. But that adaptation - yes, excellent.

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    5. With any luck, Anne would not have much to do with her father and sister after she had married a naval officer. So their opinions of Anne's friends (and husband) wouldn't make much difference to her, in fact I got the impression that they could drop out of Anne's life without her missing them at all! I'm sure she would have the proper "family feeling" but no other emotional investment.

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    6. Yes, Jane Austen makes it clear that Sir Walter and Elizabeth will miss their friend Mrs Clay, who runs off with Mr Elliot, far more than they miss Anne after her marriage - occasional duty visits only will be required. Though as Captain Wentworth is able to help Mrs Smith improve her income by sorting out her business affairs, the ‘trade or not’ question should become immaterial anyway!

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    7. Very much enjoying all this conversation!

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  5. Just one more thing re Mrs Smith - her willingness, in her own interest, to let Anne marry Mr Elliot, a man she herself describes as "... without heart or conscience; a designing, wary, cold-blooded being who thinks only of himself; who, for his own interest or ease, would be guilty of any cruelty, or any treachery, that could be perpetrated without risk of his general character." Anne just about swallows her excuses for not revealing her knowledge of his character until she's sure Anne's NOT going to marry him, but I don't!

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    1. Yes, sometimes there is something inexpicable...

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    2. I wouldn’t say inexplicable – I think Mrs Smith’s looking after Number One, and if this means watching her dear friend tie herself for life to a man who’s pretty sure to make her miserable (but might be persuaded to do Mrs Smith herself some good) so be it!

      Though probably worth bearing mind that “Persuasion” was still a work in progress when JA died; this might be something she would have given more thought to if she’d had the chance.

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    3. I think there's also a view that being married to anyone is better than being single. Jane Austen might not think that, but it's a view that did exist.

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    4. True, but there’s no indication that Anne thinks that, and Mrs Smith is on the face of it a close enough friend to know that and to ask her straight out about the rumours and about how she feels towards Mr Elliot – it seems most unlikely that she thinks Anne is in love with him, certainly not to the point of resenting or rejecting any criticism of him. I don’t think she has any reason, other than self-interest, for not speaking out.

      The bit about “ … any cruelty, or any treachery, that could be perpetrated without risk of his general character" sends a chill – all too easy to imagine a marriage full of gracious smiling courtesy in public, horrible bullying and belittlement in private.

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    5. There certainly was coercive control even before it was identified and given a name.
      But there were also different attitudes in past times - even in my mother's generation, there was quite a rigid code about not interfering, not asking, best to pretend you don't know, didn't see.

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    6. This reminded me of Muriel Spark’s “A Far Cry From Kensington” - the narrator and her landlady regard a violent row between the couple next door as an entertainment, but eventually the narrator does ring the police ‘for the fight was becoming more serious’. A policemen arrives, joins them sitting on the stairs with their box of chocolates, and when asked whether he’s going to do something about the fight says ‘Mustn’t come between husband and wife’, a phrase that crops up regularly throughout the last century and probably isn’t dead in this one. The policeman does eventually intervene, but on grounds of disturbing the peace, not because the husband’s dragging his wife around by her hair…

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    7. I always say it is one of my favourite moments in all Spark's work (see eg this post on boxes of chocolates https://clothesinbooks.blogspot.com/2024/04/the-importance-of-box-of-chocolates.html)
      Although I am as anti-violence and pro-feminist as a person could be, it is important to remember that this strong belief and attitude did not exist in a vacuum, and the system was held up and supported by many women too. it was an accepted part of life, exactly like slapping children. Anyone who worked (IRL) in these areas had stories where they tried to help/rescue a woman, or just stop the violence, but the woman turned on the would-be helper and attacked them. Things had to change in a lot of directions at roughly the same time to make it unacceptable.

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    8. The policeman does say that if he intervenes both the combatants will probably turn on him! And it is hard to know what to do - thirty-odd years ago I lived for a few months next door to a couple who often spent the night having a screaming row, and I recall vividly one night when they’d worked up to a climax of volume and then suddenly fallen silent, which was not part of the usual pattern. Had he killed her? Had she killed him? Should I call the police? I didn’t, and around 4am they set off again at full volume … so I’ve no idea what the hiatus was about, or indeed what any of the rows were about as they were conducted in (I think) Urdu.

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    9. It IS difficult to know when to intervene. Because I worked as a news reporter for many years, I frequently heard 'well I didn't like to say anything' and people who deeply regretted not interfering. so in general I'm in favour of being a busybody, even if it's just saying 'are you OK?' But you have to judge each case on its merits.

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    10. I watched the Hinds/Root Persuasion film the other night - particularly enjoyed Sophie Thompson as ghastly sister Mary - and noted they got round the issue of how good/bad a friend Mrs Smith is by doing away with all her past history with Mr Elliot and basing her criticism of him on having heard that he's after Anne's money - though that doesn't really add up as Anne (as far as we know) hasn't got any money to speak of, and isn't likely to get a handsome marriage settlement from her unloving and heavily indebted father ...

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    11. Oh right - I'd forgotten that.
      Yes, Sophie T was excellent.

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  6. Oh, I must watch that 2022 version of Persuasion. That is the only one I have not seen, yet. But my favourite will always be the 1995 one. Amanda Root is just the perfect Anne Elliot and who would not fall in love with CiarΓ‘n Hinds depiction of Captain Wentworth? Even all the others are just fantastic, well done.
    The 1971 is my least favourite, too much a seventies film.
    Did I mention that Persuasion is also my favourite novel by Jane Austen?

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    1. The 2022 is not in the usual tradition and very much divides people! Just warning you.
      Yes I think Ciaran Hinds is the ideal Captain Wentworth.
      And - as with the choice of film - a large proportion of the deepest Austen fans choose Persuasion.

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    2. Thanks, CiB, I already thought so from the comments here. And not every film is to everyone's liking. I have heard many negative comments about the newest Emma but I quite liked it.

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    3. I watched every single available JA adaptation to write an article earlier this year, and none of them was completely unwatchable - though the 1970s Persuasion came close.

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    4. I can imagine. By far not my favourite. I'm not a big fan of Northanger Abbey and don't really like any of the films there but Persuasion is my favourite. But the 70s film doesn't remotely portray Jane Austen's work.

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    5. I think of Northanger Abbey as very much a lesser work.

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    6. That is a good description.

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    7. I tend to file it in my mind with Lady Susan (which I do love) and the Sanditon/Watsons axis. If it were up to ME - the other five would be the main oeuvre. (Apparently it's not up to me πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€)

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    8. Or me, either. I would second that. LOL

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