tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6129427507761315524.post963301488223707622..comments2024-03-28T20:46:22.875+00:00Comments on Clothes In Books: Michael Lewis and the Birth of Online CommentingClothes In Bookshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14680610242823846662noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6129427507761315524.post-10221351792927740302017-02-10T11:02:58.837+00:002017-02-10T11:02:58.837+00:00I know, it's always astonishing that people ca...I know, it's always astonishing that people can get so angry about the simple fact that others have different views...Clothes In Bookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14680610242823846662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6129427507761315524.post-30487165522532921022017-02-07T20:51:42.863+00:002017-02-07T20:51:42.863+00:00Very interesting post. Lewis sounds like a good au...Very interesting post. Lewis sounds like a good author and I had not been much aware of his books, but I would not mind giving them a try if I ran into a copy. Your experiences with early online commenting were also interesting. Except for blogs that I visit, I usually ignore commenting because people get so weird, not so much the personal stuff but being so outraged at other people's ideas or opinions. Like everyone would be thinking one way? So strange.TracyKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08303342674824383688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6129427507761315524.post-74403930618324289902017-01-16T12:23:16.115+00:002017-01-16T12:23:16.115+00:00Yes. sometimes I wonder what those people would be...Yes. sometimes I wonder what those people would be doing if there were no internet...Clothes In Bookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14680610242823846662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6129427507761315524.post-66385318425708231792017-01-16T12:22:31.589+00:002017-01-16T12:22:31.589+00:00Thanks Simon - I hoped it would be of interest and...Thanks Simon - I hoped it would be of interest and am glad people found it so. It was a very strange time online: no-one knew how it would turn out...<br />And I do recommend Lewis's writing - though I'm like you, find the sport much less compelling.Clothes In Bookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14680610242823846662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6129427507761315524.post-77537231483350575772017-01-15T10:30:10.134+00:002017-01-15T10:30:10.134+00:00And many people are angry and take it out on blogs...And many people are angry and take it out on blogs. This is how trolls are born.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6129427507761315524.post-33948113547010361432017-01-14T23:09:31.436+00:002017-01-14T23:09:31.436+00:00How interesting! You make me want to read his book...How interesting! You make me want to read his books for starters (though maybe not the sportsy ones) - and the look back at the early days of commenting is so interesting. Obviously I've been aware of it ever since it started, more or less, but hearing from somebody that bedded in its early days is fascinating.Simon T (StuckinaBook)http://www.stuckinabook.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6129427507761315524.post-20028748833955438622017-01-14T17:01:51.566+00:002017-01-14T17:01:51.566+00:00It seems that many people just write online commen...It seems that many people just write online comments on the spur of the moment, with no real though - and certainly no attempt at empathy...Clothes In Bookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14680610242823846662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6129427507761315524.post-86809772854688545112017-01-14T17:01:10.983+00:002017-01-14T17:01:10.983+00:00I do recommend him, he has such a way with words, ...I do recommend him, he has such a way with words, and I'm sure you will like the books, whichever one you choose.Clothes In Bookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14680610242823846662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6129427507761315524.post-8931959490134172462017-01-14T17:00:44.069+00:002017-01-14T17:00:44.069+00:00I totally agree with you about Lewis, and thank yo...I totally agree with you about Lewis, and thank you also for kind words! Yes, information and insight. Kahneman is fascinating - but not as good at explaining his own theories as Lewis is, in my opinion...Clothes In Bookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14680610242823846662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6129427507761315524.post-60163907219199678932017-01-14T08:30:05.776+00:002017-01-14T08:30:05.776+00:00I agree that there is a lack of empathy when peop...I agree that there is a lack of empathy when people criticize others' names on line or people's physical characteristics. Sometimes it's more than that when it's hate speech, racist, sexist, etc., which was going on in the States during the election campaign. And sometimes it's at the bottom of nasty comments online.<br /><br />But, again, why aren't people thinking about the content of Lewis' points, arguing pro and con? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6129427507761315524.post-20463485188266386512017-01-13T19:04:28.631+00:002017-01-13T19:04:28.631+00:00Wonderful post, Moira. I' embarrassed to say I...Wonderful post, Moira. I' embarrassed to say I've been meaning to read several of Michael Lewis's books, but haven't yet. As Kathy D. above says, he's not just a very good writer, but a fine interviewee. I loved Jon Stewart's interviews with him when Jon was still with "The Daily Show." I'll have to read them now.carrpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16726596939143045758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6129427507761315524.post-3690830607776384982017-01-13T17:02:59.932+00:002017-01-13T17:02:59.932+00:00What a fine post! Lewis is one of those writers (J...What a fine post! Lewis is one of those writers (John McPhee is another) who, if they want to write about it, I want to read about it. I've been wrestling with Lewis' book, trying to write a review, which is difficult because it's so huge and so filled with information and insight. I'll just send folks here while I go read Kahneman.Mary Ronan Drewhttp://maryslibrary.typepad.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6129427507761315524.post-76126002305808383882017-01-13T10:13:16.806+00:002017-01-13T10:13:16.806+00:00Thanks, and a happy new year to you too Kathy. I t...Thanks, and a happy new year to you too Kathy. I think it's a lack of empathy. Some people I'm sure don't care if they hurt or upset people, but others are just not thoughtful enough, and could be educated perhaps... Let's hope.Clothes In Bookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14680610242823846662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6129427507761315524.post-27556825442409505632017-01-13T10:12:06.205+00:002017-01-13T10:12:06.205+00:00Thanks Bill - that's a fascinating detail abou...Thanks Bill - that's a fascinating detail about the lawyers' researches, I wouldn't have thought of that. I think there is considerable adaptation still to go before the world sorts out online behaviour...Clothes In Bookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14680610242823846662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6129427507761315524.post-10317808324723731492017-01-13T10:10:58.482+00:002017-01-13T10:10:58.482+00:00It is scary, and sad. There is a lack of understan...It is scary, and sad. There is a lack of understanding as to how the world works, I think, and a lack of empathy - and a few other worse emotions. And the sudden widespread availability of instant commenting meant there wasn't time for any development of guidelines, rules, general agreement on what was right. Clothes In Bookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14680610242823846662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6129427507761315524.post-48731531931369368682017-01-13T10:05:40.690+00:002017-01-13T10:05:40.690+00:00Very interesting. I have been tempted to read boo...Very interesting. I have been tempted to read books by Michael Lewis after I've seen him interviewed on TV. But fiction always seems to lead me astray, especially if it's about crime.<br /><br />I find it horrendous that the writer's spouse and children have been criticized online -- even their names. His spouse's name is fine; it's the name of Stephen King's spouse, a writer in her own right. And his children's names are fine.<br /><br />What is it? I think it is because people aren't thinking deeply about the subjects and processing what is being said. So they pick on easy and superficial topics. Nastiness should be outlawed on the Internet. It is to some extent, if it's hate speech.<br /><br />But, really, trolls, deal with his ideas and think. I sometimes wonder if thinking is downplayed over here.<br /><br />Anyway, have a good year of reading and blogging.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6129427507761315524.post-17415769149243588652017-01-13T05:04:00.120+00:002017-01-13T05:04:00.120+00:00Moira: Thanks for a fascinating and thought provok...Moira: Thanks for a fascinating and thought provoking post.<br /><br />I have enjoyed several books by Lewis. Moneyball was my favourite non-fiction book of 2004. I appreciated the book both for the well told story and my love of baseball. For some years I was a member of the Society for American Baseball Research and had read numerous articles on sabremetrics before reading Moneyball. I think that is enough on the technical side of sports analysis.<br /><br />Online comments are a continuing interest to me as a lawyer. You clearly sensed the dark side of commenting earlier than anyone else I know. <br /><br />On the present situation I recently attended a conference of trial lawyers where it was discussed that it is fundamental for a litigator in any court action to review the social media pages of witnesses to see what they and their friends have posted. It can be startling the indiscretions publicly put up on the net.Bill Selneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17268006369157307593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6129427507761315524.post-65562442208313837062017-01-12T23:33:32.852+00:002017-01-12T23:33:32.852+00:00I was once a member of a site where one of the new...I was once a member of a site where one of the new member started sending private messages asking us why we were spying on him! The moderators apparently had a quiet word with him, and he was asked to come back after he had received some specialist help. These sorts of things are thankfully rare, but the bullying commentor is sadly common. The lack of personal danger and the anonymity are a great temptation to a certain sort of creep. Even when they are not deliberately vindictive, I think that some people have grown up thinking that whatever happens on the computer screen is not quite real. Some people used to think that soap operas were for real, writing letters to characters on the screen to offer them advice. Now they seem to feel that the person who writes those articles is like a computer game character. Shoot 'em, burn 'em, whack 'em and they just reboot and come back for more. The idea that they might be hurt by some inane comment never seems to occur to them. It's rather scary.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6129427507761315524.post-68588706761912796112017-01-12T15:33:01.220+00:002017-01-12T15:33:01.220+00:00Thanks, glad you liked it. It's a big subject ...Thanks, glad you liked it. It's a big subject and one that we need to think seriously about. And Lewis does seem able to write about anything - perhaps he should tackle the question of online commenting!Clothes In Bookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14680610242823846662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6129427507761315524.post-57008005116582122422017-01-12T15:32:08.205+00:002017-01-12T15:32:08.205+00:00Thanks Margot - as you know I do usually concentra...Thanks Margot - as you know I do usually concentrate on the books, but in this particular case I did feel I had something to say. It's a subject dear to my heart.Clothes In Bookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14680610242823846662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6129427507761315524.post-70107825034635690252017-01-12T13:10:18.351+00:002017-01-12T13:10:18.351+00:00Wow, what an interesting post. Blogging definitel...Wow, what an interesting post. Blogging definitely leaves you wide open for all sorts of comments, it's a scary world out there and some trolls are just waiting for a chance to make personal comments. Your writing, what you're writing about it fair game, you and your family shouldn't be.<br />By the way, I've read, and seen the movie, Moneyball and it was fascinating, will have to look for this book too.Mac n' Janethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05732924562630675589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6129427507761315524.post-55301835172521197452017-01-12T12:31:51.793+00:002017-01-12T12:31:51.793+00:00What a terrific story, Moira. Thanks for sharing y...What a terrific story, Moira. Thanks for sharing your personal experiences. And how well you saw the future of commenting! It's interesting, isn't it, how these things happen, and we don't always see what their future will be. And how interesting that you had that more close-up perspective on Lewis! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com