How Old is Old? The Anthony Berkeley Version

The Top Story Murder by Anthony Berkeley

published 1931

 

 



****This will be the last post for a couple of weeks, as I am taking a holiday. 
I will be back!****

I was in two minds on whether to do a blogpost on this one, and the main reason to do so is to put a line in the sand. It is often very noticeable that GA authors, very much including women, are more than ready to dismiss women as ‘old’ or very old at quite remarkably early ages. Ngaio Marsh is particularly prone to this.

In this book we hear

‘Old woman been done in’ and later she is described as  ‘a most unpleasing old person’

And?

‘Age about forty-eight.’

So there’s the benchmark. Can anyone come up with a worse example? Please tell me any you find.

There were other reasons why I did not love this book, which I found a dull and unconvincing procedural with the strange addition of Roger Sheringham, anchorman for an earlier post:

Annoying Detectives - a list

The murder happens in a small block of flats off the Euston Rd in London, and the victim is shown as having a squalid and rather bleak life.

There is a whole theory that burglars always have their own way of working, and that by cross-checking your burglars with your events you can spot the culprit. So here comes ‘Detective-Inspector Beach, who specialised in this type of crime, burglary in flats’. Then there is a lot of chasing after alibis and suchlike, and sudden changing decisions about the time of the crime. More and more details are piled on to make the culprit an awful and sordid person (not criminal, just her personal habits). And there is the usual proving of Roger S to be completely wrong.

A couple of things save the story. Roger meets the niece of the dead woman, Stella, and ends up employing her as his secretary. They have an unusual and very enjoyable relationship – not at all sure what they make of each other, though it is clear that Stella admirably has no time for many of Roger’s ridiculous ways.

In pursuit of the investigation, Roger and Stella go clothes shopping, to try to reach conclusions about the woman in the shop, a possible suspect. They are acting parts: Stella a young woman on the make, aiming at refinement, Roger her American sugar daddy.

I love a view of a 1930s dress shop of a certain kind:

[The manageress] was coming towards them, a professional smile on her lips. She wore a black dress, and with her tall figure and erect carriage looked really distinguished. ‘You wish to see some afternoon dresses?’ she said. Roger noticed that she did not add the customary ‘modom’; nor did she offer him more than a fleeting glance…

 ‘Ay shall want a dress, and a hat to wear with it, yes.’ ‘Say, don’t forget the other trimmings too, baby,’ Roger put in. ‘I guess we’ll want some stockings for the lady too, miss, and some gloves, and—’

‘That will do, Hannibal,’ said Miss Barnett. Mrs. Ennismore Smith turned to the pale-haired assistant who had followed her. ‘Miss Hall, run upstairs and get that beige lace and the jade peau de soie, please.’

 


Though this storyline becomes quite uncomfortable when Roger decides to provoke the manageress to anger, which he and Stella do in a very horrible & humiliating way. The manageress throws them out, and they feel bad about it afterwards, but that doesn’t really make it OK. It’s a pity because it leaves a bad taste after what would otherwise be an enjoyable scene.

There is also one of those odd references to public school ways, all too prevalent in Golden Age detective stories. I expected better of Anthony Berkeley, but here it is:

The solitary question he had put to Ennismore Smith last Tuesday had not proved irrelevant after all. It was a large point that Ennismore Smith had been to a public school. For the kind of thing one really learns at a public school is not the capes of Africa (when one is never in one’s life going to Africa), but far more practical things, such as that one must never borrow money from a woman (because one certainly is going to be hard up earlier or, more unfortunately, later); and that even if one does sink to that, there is still one thing that remains simply impossible even to contemplate, and that is to borrow money from a woman whom one knows intimately.

 

This is pointless and irrelevant and rather cringe-y, but also it is surely wholly untrue? It is contradicted everywhere.

[Jane Austen’s Anne Elliot says “if you please, no reference to examples in books”. But, Jane, I could give you so many examples….]

(see another recent post for more public school propaganda)

Stella ends up with a midnight blue dress, a new  hat and various other accessories. The top picture seems to do a reasonable job of that.

The photo of modelling is much grander than what Roger and Stella were off finding, but when you read the caption you will see why I had to use it:

“Group of women modelling different styles of undergarments and dresses, apparently for different body types. The platforms read: Type BH (Big Hip); Type SB (Sway Back); Type BA (Big? Abdomen); Type A (Average); Type SBW (Short Below Waist). The women are posed on and around a stage in a hall”

 

Fashion models parading a number of styles of dresses and … | Flickr



Comments

  1. Olivia Manning apparently put the line between middle age and old age as 45. In The doves of Venus the heroine is young poor and shabbily dressed and falls for a cad who preys on young women " ...extreme elegance in a women was repellent to him, invariably turning his thoughts to the mortal end of the fkesh beneath" there are many examples of this in the book which is chilling in many ways but on the bright side is very good on clothes and no-one is killed.

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    1. I read this book many many years ago, fascinated by the fact that one character is allegedly based on Stevie Smith. I wasn't noting clothes at the time! I think I found it quite miserable, though I have always remembered the Smith-esque character saying that when she went to bed with her boyfriend they put their glasses side by side on the shelf.
      Chambers dictionary at one time had the definition of middle-age include this: 'variously reckoned according to the age of the reckoner'

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    2. Wilmet Forsyth turns 33 on the first page of Barbara Pym’s A Glass of Blessings - 18 October, St Luke’s day - and thinks of herself (and of her friend Rowena who is a similar age) as a young woman. No indication that Barbara Pym disagrees with her, but there’s a hint that middle-age is on the horizon; Wilmet and her mother-in-law discuss the age at which it has to be acknowledged that a promising young man is a promising young man no longer, and IIRC settle on 35.

      Sovay

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    3. At least it makes a change to have men being subject to rules.
      I must say I like the idea of a discussion on when people stop being 'promising'

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  2. I have just read this blog post and Google immediately recommended Teresa Fogarty's book No little flower about her life after leaving a convent and finding live at the age of 60....strangely, I won't be following up this suggestion. JanW

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    1. Hilarious! I have a secret soft spot for books about nuns leaving convents, so perhaps I will look it up. None can ever compete with the title of the Monica Baldwin book on this: I Leap Over the Wall

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    2. I did read I leap over the wall and enjoyed it very much. I was impressed that her first action after leaving the convent was to buy lipstick and cigrarettes. In certain books these choices would be a clear indication of a very different mode of life. JanW

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  3. Oh dear ... don't think I will embarking on this one ... As regards useless detectives, I watched an episode of Inspector Morse last night. Much is made of the idea that a mistake was made in a cold case and only Morse with his superior skills is thinking on the right lines, ignoring orders from his boss to follow leads, and so on. Yet he gets it all wrong too! A really competent police force would have tied it all up in about 10 minutes of screen time.

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  4. That was Chrissie

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    1. That made me laugh! Yes, some of these plots don't stand up to inspection. I always thought the TV Morse's would have made good one hour programmes with the removal of an unnecessary subplot or red herring - all of them.

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  5. All the indications are that the kind of thing one really learns at a public school is not the capes of Africa, but that regardless of any behaviour or characteristics of one’s own, from the merely unpleasant to the downright criminal, one is nevertheless unquestionably superior to anyone who has NOT been to a public school.

    I think I’ll be giving this one a miss, though the dress shop is tempting. Is the omission of “Modom” a moral judgment on the manageress’s part?

    Sovay

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    1. A very good description!
      Yes, the omission is definitely meant to be insulting.

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    2. Sophie Stanton-Lacy, the title character of Georgette Heyer’s The Grand Sophy comes up against the “mustn’t borrow money from a woman” public-school convention, much to her exasperation, when trying to extricate a young male cousin from a financial predicament (unfortunately involving a painfully of-its-time encounter with a stereotypical moneylender).

      Sovay

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    3. What about brothers and sisters? Last year I did two books where it was discussed. In Fanny Burney's Camilla, the boy was a selfish pig, quite ready to ruin his sisters' lives. No qualms. In a Gladys Mitchell book, we get this: 'Boys always have borrowed money from their sisters... and jolly glad the sisters are, too, usually.’

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    4. In Trollope's masterpiece The Way We Live Now, the cad Felix is always being bailed out of financial difficulties by his mother who is not that well-off to begin with! And of course he tries to marry a rich girl. On the other side of the coin, there are the GA heroes who won't marry the rich heroine just because she IS rich.

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    5. I think Sovay's description of the lessons learned at public schools is much better than Berkeley's!

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    6. The career of Captain Grimes as described at the beginning of Decline and Fall is the best illustration of the advantages of being a public school man. Evelyn Waugh was being satirical, but perhaps he approved to some extent.

      Also, in Michael Gilbert's Death in Captivity, the British officers in the Italian POW camp judge their ability to trust a new prisoner on whether or not any of them went to school with him. There seems to be no possibility that any officer would not be a public school man.

      Nerys

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    7. I think Roger Allen & I would both like to bring in Saki's The Unbearable Bassington: a bad lot but haunting & melancholy.
      Also Flashman!

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    9. Saki - or, rather Reginald, said more: “To have reached thirty,” said Reginald, “is to have failed in life.”
      Another of his young men points out that he can't twenty until his mother is thirty eight (ages not exact)

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    10. There's also that brilliant parody of Housman:
      What, still alive at twenty-two,

      A clean, upstanding chap like you?

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    11. This reminded me of one of Patricia Wentworth's vampire mothers - Mrs Graham in The Gazebo - reluctantly acknowledging to herself that she can't knock any more years off her age whilst she has a grown-up daughter around. It doesn't help that the daughter, due to the dog's life she leads at her mother's beck and call, looks as if she's in her thirties.

      Sovay

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  6. I've noticed comments about being 'old' in novels, too, Moira. And you're right; what counts as 'old' is , to my mind, not old at all. Funny how that's happened over time. As to this novel, nope, it doesn't spark my interest. The dress shop setting's interesting, but it doesn't sound at all like Berkeley's best...

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    1. I am not giving it a strong recommendation.
      And I am sure you can think of many books with characters who are old/not old...

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  7. A dear departed lady once said she watched the evening news with a story about crime perpetrated against an "elderly" woman, who was her age!.she was quite surprised to find herself described that way!

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    1. Yes! that happens to me too these days

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    2. I saw a cartoon recently with two apparently elderly women and the caption something like "It's strange that we're the same age as old people now".

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  8. Not being an expert on ladies undergarments from the 1930s, why does it appear that the model on the far right in the group photos has, uhm, cut outs in her slip around her chest?

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    1. I'm no expert either, but to me it looks like a different color fabric. Maybe there's extra support there? Or maybe padding for flat-chested gals?!

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    2. Tee hee. It does look odd, but close scrutiny of the original suggests Marty is right. Or perhaps she is channeling the future Madonna

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    3. It's looks like there's a flounce in the same colour around the hem, which does suggest that it's part of the design.

      Sovay

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